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[WalkingWicket37]

Or perhaps

"WOW. IJC really have a set of principles and morals that they stand by and will stick with regardless of who it is who we feel not to be meeting them."

We don't just drop brands for the fun of it - we know H4L are a very good seller for us, and we have to eat - so to say we are creating a fallout is a little unhelpful. We will go on, H4L will go on. A sad end to the relationship, but hardly a massive fallout.

So which of your principals and morals do H4L fail to meet?
As far as I can tell you only wish to stock brands who are clear and transparent about where their bats come from and allow you to hand pick.

Having visited Matt at his workshop, he makes all the bats himself from start to finish, and will do this in front of you. He also allows you to go through all his bats, along with all the clefts of willow he has (which is a lot).

Am I missing something?

[edge]

Or perhaps

"WOW. IJC really have a set of principles and morals that they stand by and will stick with regardless of who it is who we feel not to be meeting them."

We don't just drop brands for the fun of it - we know H4L are a very good seller for us, and we have to eat - so to say we are creating a fallout is a little unhelpful. We will go on, H4L will go on. A sad end to the relationship, but hardly a massive fallout.

Exactly the kind of response I expected to be honest. You know, if I was a company dealing with you I'd value you picking up the phone much more than the 'morals' of handpicking bats etc. Maybe put the blinkers on your high horse rather than wearing them yourself, sorry pal. Spot of humility would go a long way.

[smilley792]

Wow. IJC really do know how to cause a fallout sometimes.

Or. Ijc don't know how to act on the forum. As they keep saying things that apparently aren't true.

First post suggested all is h4l's fault.

Second one suggest h4l don't sit with there principles and morals. Which is a big big call!



Chris may or may not have meant to suggest that, but if he didn't he may want to think what he's putting before posting, as unlike the rest of us on here. Selling bats kinda pays the bills.

[hell4leather cricket]

Or perhaps :
This is what's happened, as we have 100s of thousands of pounds invested in willow,machinery ,stock etc , which has to be paid for with our suppliers in a set time ,I cannot speak for other brands they must get better terms than us!
So  we set out new  trade terms where stock from us has to be paid for in a  certain time ? Pretty revolutionary I know !
 Which Ijc didn't  agree with ?
End of story ?

[ItsJustCricket]

For those people who are saying IJC are saying things which aren't true - all I will say is that there are two parties who know what occurred here. The H4L team, and Paul (and to an extent myself.) Therefore, these are the only people who can comment on the situation with full knowledge.

The comment about humility and high horses I see as irrelevant. We aren't trying to get on a high horse. Our way of doing business, as we have posted before, is not the right way, or the wrong way. It is our way. It's the way that gets us out of bed in the morning, keeping us passionate about our jobs. It isn't anything to do with moral pretension. So the high horse comment I don't really follow.

I never meant to claim it is entirely the fault of one party. All I know is that Paul has made the decision, based on what he feels is the right call for the business.

In terms of the comments made by H4L, I don't wish to respond to private trade agreements and conditions on a public forum. There are already far too many people on here who think they know the ins and outs, and so I would rather, should you wish to have a discussion, continue this in a more private way. I think that would be more satisfactory.

CBD

[Leno]

So all of this crap about somebody asking for a bat. just give ijc a break and respect there decisions

[edge]

Re. humility - would it have been so hard, for example, to post apologising to H4L for surprise announcing that you're dropping them on a public forum (or heaven forbid, Paul picking up the phone in the first place?)? Rather than just posting that your relationship with them is 'no longer tenable' and that you won't stock brands that don't meet your principles. Bang out of order I'm afraid.
Obviously this isn't entirely your fault Chris, but that doesn't mean you can't at least have a go at doing the right thing.

[Woodyspin]

Shouldnt the original discussion been made in private before hand

[ItsJustCricket]

All,

I was under the impression it was not a surprise. I believed that H4L knew. That appears to be a case of misinformation on my behalf, for which I must apologise.

If you didn't know Matt - then yes, it should have been handled better. I thought you knew, and so this was no surprise. Clearly not handled the best on our end then. I was told Paul had opened a dialogue when last visiting H4L, so thought this was something both parties were aware of. Like I said - the vague nature of it all is probably a fault at our end.

I don't think posting that we won't stock brands who we don't fully believe in, or can't fully get behind (for whatever reason), is out of order. It is just our opinion. Same as someone posting a comment about a new range, if it be negative or positive, it is just their opinion. You then back up your opinion by not buying that particular range, and we back it up by dropping a brand, or not stocking them as heavily. It's just different scales. We all have our opinions, so it's up to everyone to get along with those various differences.

Yes, the surprise thing may not have been fair. But posting that we can't support H4L, for our own reasons, I don't think is unfair.

CBD

[KarlPennington]

Fascinating discussion, seems a great pity though H4L and IJC have a great reputation on this forum. A reputable retailer selling a brand that seems to be riding the crest of a wave at the moment. Business is business though I suppose but I would encourage you to settle your differences for the benefit of us lot

[Buzz]

I am not sure there is any benefit for anyone in continuing this.
Karl's sentiments are shared by many of us in the forum