Topic: Collapses (Read 6422 times)

SirScottiod · « **Reply #15 on:** May 04, 2016, 03:36:58 PM »

I'm in a 15 year long slump, any ideas for me?

bk · « **Reply #16 on:** May 04, 2016, 04:40:01 PM »

Collapses create pressure and that takes everyone outside their comfort zone. The secret is to try not to place any extra pressure on yourself. That's why concentrating on your normal game and not thinking too much works. The other key thing is to train for these situations. In the same way you set run chase targets in the nets try practising getting off strike, leaving the ball when you can and developing a solid defence. We spend way too much time practising our strengths and not enough working on more challenging match situations.

ftdcamby · « **Reply #17 on:** May 04, 2016, 05:18:35 PM »

Depends on the cricket you're playing I suppose. In a T20 you can't afford to go 5 overs at 1 an over... If you've got 50 overs to play with on a Saturday then I'd rather be forty runs shorter and have batted the overs by starting slow than be all out and stranded after thirty.

Not really an answerable question as you say but I'd agree with the shuffle the order about suggestion... A little reshuffle can't hurt anything other than the pride of your "top" players

kenbriooo · « **Reply #18 on:** May 04, 2016, 05:27:07 PM »

Quote from: ftdcamby on May 04, 2016, 05:18:35 PM

Depends on the cricket you're playing I suppose. In a T20 you can't afford to go 5 overs at 1 an over... If you've got 50 overs to play with on a Saturday then I'd rather be forty runs shorter and have batted the overs by starting slow than be all out and stranded after thirty.

Not really an answerable question as you say but I'd agree with the shuffle the order about suggestion... A little reshuffle can't hurt anything other than the pride of your "top" players

Takes a strong captain to do this and players should be given a couple of games at least to show if they can do it in that position or not.

sHoweller · « **Reply #19 on:** May 04, 2016, 05:38:35 PM »

I personally think there are times for a reshuffle, e.g. need to get big hitters in, but don't think collapses call for reshuffles.
Just got to trust the players and hopefully things will come good.

bk · « **Reply #20 on:** May 04, 2016, 05:49:46 PM »

Re batting orders you need to look at overall strike rate AND speed of scoring. Nothing wrong with going slow at the beginning If you can catch up later but you have to get the balance right. Too often we eat up balls then get out putting pressure on the guys to come. There really is no excuse for scoring at less than 2 an over with good running and a plan. There's always a gap somewhere for a nurdle/drop and run. [size=78%]Even the slowest scorers can learn how to get off strike to give faster scorers more balls.[/size][size=78%] [/size]

ppccopener · « **Reply #21 on:** May 04, 2016, 05:54:11 PM »

Quote from: bk on May 04, 2016, 05:49:46 PM

Re batting orders you need to look at overall strike rate AND speed of scoring. Nothing wrong with going slow at the beginning If you can catch up later but you have to get the balance right. Too often we eat up balls then get out putting pressure on the guys to come. There really is no excuse for scoring at less than 2 an over with good running and a plan. There's always a gap somewhere for a nurdle/drop and run. [size=78%]Even the slowest scorers can learn how to get off strike to give faster scorers more balls.[/size][size=78%] [/size]

This is spot on,absolutely nailed it. For those us us who are orthodox and not naturally big hitters this is an area we can improve on. In my experience once you go up and play against higher standard opposition the one thing noticeable is quick single and committed running.

OllieWalker39 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 05, 2016, 07:04:29 AM »

I know at my club we have a fairly well set team;

I open up and am fairly aggressive - defend my stumps early on, but if it's loose or there to go, I'll score from it. The lad at the other end scored 28 in 15 overs this week..! But if I work at the other end, it's a great partnership as it means I'm not afraid of losing my wicket too greatly as there is Ben who's going to be at the other end, almost certainly.

Then number 3 - 4 - 5 are all varied. Issue is, is we can collapse as well as any other amateur team - or professional team (ref Yorkshire yesterday) - and I think that's just the nature of the game. I will argue though, it's frustrating when the middle order get themselves out through careless or poor shots. And it's more frustrating if you get someone who leans on their bat at the other end, when you're struggling to get the ball away - if you're not getting the quick single, the pressure just ramps up on you - even if the pressure is released at the other end!

Answer: Box the chimp! Pinch a single - most amateur level fielders aren't going to pick up cleanly, throw in directly over the stumps / hit the stumps - it's like some you hit "straight to the fielder so are a no" are actually singles all day, every game.

jamesisapayne · « **Reply #23 on:** May 05, 2016, 10:05:13 AM »

Quote from: SirScottiod on May 04, 2016, 03:36:58 PM

I'm in a 15 year long slump, any ideas for me?

If you find the answer please let me know!

TangoWhiskey · « **Reply #24 on:** May 05, 2016, 10:43:53 AM »

It is a weird one. We are prone to a collapse, we've been skittled all out for less than 30 and on the same weekend with largely the same team we've posted 300.

We're also the same with catches. If the first 2 or 3 are taken, no one will drop anything all day. If the first 2 or 3 go down, we'll drop everything. Had it last weekend in two friendlies. On the Saturday we caught everything including some screamers, on the Sunday we couldn't catch syphilis from a crack whore. Practically the same team.

Slyboogy · « **Reply #25 on:** May 09, 2016, 09:15:58 PM »

Quote from: OllieWalker39 on May 05, 2016, 07:04:29 AM

Pinch a single - most amateur level fielders aren't going to pick up cleanly, throw in directly over the stumps / hit the stumps - it's like some you hit "straight to the fielder so are a no" are actually singles all day, every game.

I always do this and I get annoyed players coming at me.

I don't see why though, only one time it turned out to be a run out and it was me who was out by a direct hit.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 10, 2016, 07:59:15 AM »

@OllieWalker39 running on fielders because the chances of them hitting are slim is great unless you're the one that keeps getting 'unlucky' amd run out... Gambling that they'll miss isn't a good run after all.

OllieWalker39 · « **Reply #27 on:** May 10, 2016, 08:06:32 AM »

@ProCricketer1982 - That's true. Normally you get a feel, but do understand that! It made a huge difference for us at the weekend, chasing down 250 inside 40 overs. Without taking the very quick singles, we'd not have come close!

tim2000s · « **Reply #28 on:** May 10, 2016, 08:24:07 AM »

It's an interesting one. When I've been involved in collapses (plenty of times) and coming in at 8, I'm happy to play a contained game and be a thorn in the side of the opposition. Sure I'll try and hit the bad balls, and in 3rd XI amateur cricket there are plenty, but I'm happy to block out as well. I'm a bowler though, and I've dragged us kicking and screaming over the line more than once from this position.

It's about recognising how to play within your abilities and not trying to play the shots that just aren't productive for you and will get you out.

Ultimately a lot of it comes down to confidence and psychology. If you think you're having a poor run, you'll probably not get out of it. It's about being in the now and practising mindfulness, and it's something multiple players in the team need in order to avoid collapses.

HallamKeeper · « **Reply #29 on:** May 10, 2016, 10:06:18 AM »

So we didn't exactly collapse on Saturday but we lost the first 4 wickets in a spell for about 30 runs then the next 4 wickets in a similar space of time/runs a bit later. We were chasing a very large total and I just think everyone gave up. At no point did we discuss as a team how to chase it down, what small targets we should aim for and what we wanted to do if we fell so far behind the rate that victory was highly unlikely.

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SirScottiod

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