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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #930 on: August 23, 2016, 09:30:17 PM »

I didnt pick 11 batman, i picked 2 bowlers 3 all rounders 5 batsman, in a batsmans game (as proved by the consistant 350+ scores) quality = qauntity in this case.

As for root, swap him with buttler and you still have a great line up. I would just like to see a destructive batsman who in form can perform just as well as ABV bat for as long as possible

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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #931 on: August 23, 2016, 10:00:35 PM »

If the moves around, unlikely given the late summer heatwave, Buttler will be exposed. I've seen first hand his issues when it's swinging around. And I don't think anyone is comparable to de Villiers.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #932 on: August 23, 2016, 10:03:48 PM »

Where would you fit Root in? I think in the case of ODIs Buttler Roy and Hales are much more of a hit in the power play with Morgan where he always is... Dawson i see as a better batsman and equal bowler imo


Wait. Did you just say Dawson is a better batsmen the root?


Root currently ranked 2nd in tests, 7th in odis and 5th in t20's. And you say Dawson is a better bat?


Hales, Roy buttler have all had just as many chances as root in recent tournaments yet not one is ranked above him. There is reasons for that!!


Also weres plunkett??  Dude bats and bowls, plus I think Willey will miss the first game atleast with his bruised hand.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #933 on: August 23, 2016, 10:29:56 PM »


Wait. Did you just say Dawson is a better batsmen the root?


Root currently ranked 2nd in tests, 7th in odis and 5th in t20's. And you say Dawson is a better bat?


Hales, Roy buttler have all had just as many chances as root in recent tournaments yet not one is ranked above him. There is reasons for that!!


Also weres plunkett??  Dude bats and bowls, plus I think Willey will miss the first game atleast with his bruised hand.

I don't trust the T20 rankings - Williamson, Smith and Root are not among the best in the world at that format.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #934 on: August 23, 2016, 11:31:40 PM »

I don't trust the T20 rankings - Williamson, Smith and Root are not among the best in the world at that format.

Out of interest who would you have ahead of Williamson and Root in the rankings that isn't already? Smith comes in well down the list at 79th by the way.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #935 on: August 23, 2016, 11:32:24 PM »


Wait. Did you just say Dawson is a better batsmen the root?


Root currently ranked 2nd in tests, 7th in odis and 5th in t20's. And you say Dawson is a better bat?


Hales, Roy buttler have all had just as many chances as root in recent tournaments yet not one is ranked above him. There is reasons for that!!


Also weres plunkett??  Dude bats and bowls, plus I think Willey will miss the first game atleast with his bruised hand.

Think he was referring to in comparison to Rashid.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #936 on: August 24, 2016, 02:21:40 AM »

Out of interest who would you have ahead of Williamson and Root in the rankings that isn't already? Smith comes in well down the list at 79th by the way.

I just threw Smith in their as these guys plus Kohli are always talked about together.

 Morgan, Butler, Travis Head, Roy, Chris Lynn.

Faf is 4 on the list (Rubbish).
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #937 on: August 24, 2016, 06:46:30 AM »

I just threw Smith in their as these guys plus Kohli are always talked about together.

 Morgan, Butler, Travis Head, Roy, Chris Lynn.

Faf is 4 on the list (Rubbish).


Head and Lynn haven't done much(if anything) at international level. Neither has kept a for a while. He cl got two golden a in the wold cup. His consistency just isn't there.


Just because someone doesn't smoke massive sixes every ball, doesn't mean they can't play t20. You can still make 80 at a sr off 150 plus by being a good batsman. Root and Williamson do this.


World t20 tournament.

http://www.icc-cricket.com/world-t20/stats/men/2016/player/most-runs

Root out scoring everyone on your list.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #938 on: August 24, 2016, 07:20:28 AM »

Head and Lynn haven't done much(if anything) at international level. Neither has kept a for a while. He cl got two golden a in the wold cup. His consistency just isn't there.


Just because someone doesn't smoke massive sixes every ball, doesn't mean they can't play t20. You can still make 80 at a sr off 150 plus by being a good batsman. Root and Williamson do this.


World t20 tournament.

http://www.icc-cricket.com/world-t20/stats/men/2016/player/most-runs

Root out scoring everyone on your list.


Don't get me wrong, I love Williamson but he has to open the batting or nowhere. He can't smoke the ball from the start if needed, thats why he opens.

Root is getting better but if I was picking a team Id be picking specialist batters for T20 first. Chris Lynn would be high up for me.

For T20 you need the option to be able to hit it out of the park from ball one. Root and Williamson can't do that.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #939 on: August 24, 2016, 07:41:15 AM »

For T20 you need the option to be able to hit it out of the park from ball one. Root and Williamson can't do that.

Root has a better T20I strike rate than Kholi, AB, Martin Guptill, B Mac, Jason Roy, Alex Hales, MS Dhoni, Andre Russell and probably many more. You do not have to smoke the ball over the rope at will to score quick runs.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #940 on: August 24, 2016, 07:52:55 AM »

Root has a better T20I strike rate than Kholi, AB, Martin Guptill, B Mac, Jason Roy, Alex Hales, MS Dhoni, Andre Russell and probably many more. You do not have to smoke the ball over the rope at will to score quick runs.
So he had one good tournament where his strike rate over a very small sample size is taken.
And I'd have all of them before Root in T20.

No but you need the option to. Root doesn't.

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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #941 on: August 24, 2016, 07:59:23 AM »

Some of these XI's seem to assume that Stokes is bowling his 10 overs - is he fit to do so?
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #942 on: August 24, 2016, 08:04:54 AM »

Some of these XI's seem to assume that Stokes is bowling his 10 overs - is he fit to do so?

If not Root and Hales can make up 10 overs between them  ;)
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #943 on: August 24, 2016, 08:06:31 AM »

Some of these XI's seem to assume that Stokes is bowling his 10 overs - is he fit to do so?

No he will play as a batsman only for the first game at least.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #944 on: August 24, 2016, 08:10:13 AM »

This is a big series for Morgan. He needs to score runs.

I hope he does.

I wonder how quickly the ODI renaissance will fall apart if he is dropped. It's interesting that, in my opinion, England's better captains tend to come from outside the system.
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