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Re: England test squad in Asia
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2016, 10:58:43 AM »
At the end of the day, I don't think half the players in the England team are test quality..but..It appears stocks are thin and there is no one bashing down then door to take their place so might as well keep a settled team. Chopping and changing never works.

KP's time is over even though it shouldn't have been at the time, no point going back. No bothered with bell either, he's hardly torn up county cricket.
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Re: England test squad in Asia
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2016, 11:02:27 AM »
Quote from: jamielsn15 on August 15, 2016, 10:42:41 AM
1. Cook
2. Hales (not a fan of his visit to the officials mid game, but he may enjoy flatter tracks and we'll know by the end of the winter if he's cut out - just about done enough for me)
3. Root
4. Bell (No ones stood up and demanded to be picked.  Bell is a known quantity - proven test quality player and surely that's what we're looking for?  A better bet than  Vince or Ballance - he'd have scored more runs than both this summer.  Why throw new younger players in if you're not sure they're ready?  If you think they are great, if not, take 2 or 3 for the trip and the experience.  At least by the end of the tour you'll know if Bell is done.  If he isn't, you've likely got a guy in form with 8000 test runs and 20+ test tons.  In ashes year).  Plus he could open and may do better at 2 in asia...
5. Ali
6. Bairstow (wk)
7. Stokes
8. Woakes
9. Rashid
10. Broad
11. Anderson

As it stands right now, that's the team I'd play, doors open to anyone scoring runs for fun in mid-late august and booking a place at 2 or 4...

Same side for me James. Except at number 2 I would either choose Lyth or Bell Drummond or Haseeb of Lancashire. Yes he's young and it might be too early but we have experience around.

All 3 are 'proper openers' , first choice would be adam lyth(yes again) and work with him. Bell Drummond second choice. Hasseb has scored his runs in Div 1 and the sooner he gets into the set up the better.

See what youre saying about Hales but for me I would stick him with the Lions or not at all. The guy does not have it mentally or technically to open the batting. it's the one real specialist batting position from one to 11.
good side thou I like it
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Re: England test squad in Asia
« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2016, 11:06:29 AM »
I hear you re hales. I've just got a feeling he could bash some seamers around early on and that could kick him off. I do like the look of DBD though...

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Re: England test squad in Asia
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2016, 11:10:21 AM »
id go:

cook
lyth
root
borthwick
hales
bairstow
stokes
ali
wood
broad
anderson

finn
ansari
buttler
rashid
roy
bell drummond

id take a larger squad with plenty of flexibitlity, this has 3 openers (plus hales and ansari)
middle order cover with roy and ansari
spare spinner in rashid (and ansari)
and an extra pace option with finn

still got 3 quicks and 3 spinners in the side plus a bit of roots offspin if needed
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Re: England test squad in Asia
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2016, 11:13:07 AM »
Quote from: jamielsn15 on August 15, 2016, 11:06:29 AM
I hear you re hales. I've just got a feeling he could bash some seamers around early on and that could kick him off. I do like the look of DBD though...



yes.....he might well do....but are you picking an opener for two series against Bangladesh and india or are you looking to get someone permanently in place?  that's the issue....surely we have got the look to get someone in long term.....

DBD has been thru all the England set ups and has a good season. runs in Div 2 yes but he's got massive potential for the future. As has Haseeb-this youngster can play
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Re: England test squad in Asia
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2016, 11:14:17 AM »
Blimey! what did Woakes do wrong?
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Re: England test squad in Asia
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2016, 11:15:18 AM »
Quote from: FattusCattus on August 15, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
Blimey! what did Woakes do wrong?

hehe

Alex you've had a shocker there   :) :)
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Re: England test squad in Asia
« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2016, 11:20:47 AM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on August 15, 2016, 11:10:21 AM
id go:

cook
lyth
root
borthwick
hales
bairstow
woakes
ali
wood
broad
anderson

stokes
finn
ansari
buttler
rashid
roy
bell drummond

id take a larger squad with plenty of flexibitlity, this has 3 openers (plus hales and ansari)
middle order cover with roy and ansari
spare spinner in rashid (and ansari)
and an extra pace option with finn

still got 3 quicks and 3 spinners in the side plus a bit of roots offspin if needed

Edit: being a complete and utter fool and forgetting the best player of the summer *hanging head in shame* have now edited this, left stokes out as for me its either woakes or stokes cant fit both in for the sub continent unless you dont play ali and rely on borthwick and root for the spin
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Re: England test squad in Asia
« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2016, 11:31:14 AM »
and ballance for me has been getting out to shah in the same manner too many times to be squeezed in, id have him on call to fly out if needed though!
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Re: England test squad in Asia
« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2016, 11:50:21 AM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on August 15, 2016, 11:10:21 AM
id go:

cook
lyth
root
borthwick
hales
bairstow
stokes
ali
wood
broad
anderson

finn
ansari
buttler
rashid
roy
bell drummond

id take a larger squad with plenty of flexibitlity, this has 3 openers (plus hales and ansari)
middle order cover with roy and ansari
spare spinner in rashid (and ansari)
and an extra pace option with finn

still got 3 quicks and 3 spinners in the side plus a bit of roots offspin if needed
Why do we need four seamers on pitches that won't offer anything for fast bowlers? The SG ball isn't exactly known to swing much or keep it hardness.
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Re: England test squad in Asia
« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2016, 11:53:00 AM »
Quote from: Felix Tito on August 15, 2016, 11:50:21 AM
Why do we need four seamers on pitches that won't offer anything for fast bowlers? The SG ball isn't exactly known to swing much or keep it hardness.
I'd rather have 4 seamers share the workload than run 3 into the ground on lifeless decks in the heat
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Re: England test squad in Asia
« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2016, 11:56:58 AM »
its englands strength so why not, look at the uae, the seamers run rates were well over half that of the spinners, stop the scoring you will take wickets....
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Re: England test squad in Asia
« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2016, 12:00:18 PM »
we absolutely do need 4 seamers on the basis we don't want to kill our bowlers in the heat out there in a three month period.

Felix you been on the pop early doors today ?  :)
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Re: England test squad in Asia
« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2016, 12:23:42 PM »
Bayliss on Hales, Vince, Ballance:

“They’ve definitely had a decent run at it,” said the Australian. “We’ve probably got around a month before we get together and discuss the next Test series, so there will be some tough decisions to be made.”


England must decide whether to move on again, at the top and in the middle order, but compelling candidates in county cricket are thin on the ground. “There doesn’t seem to be anyone crying out to be selected above anyone else,” added Bayliss. “There’s a number of guys we’ve seen score some runs earlier this season, under a bit of scrutiny when their names are mentioned about the possibility of getting into the team. Some of them have dropped off (BORTHWICK KLAXON).”


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Re: England test squad in Asia
« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2016, 12:33:50 PM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on August 15, 2016, 11:56:58 AM
its englands strength so why not, look at the uae, the seamers run rates were well over half that of the spinners, stop the scoring you will take wickets....
As I said previously India use the SG ball. It's totally different to the Duke we use and as was used in the UAE.
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