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[Manormanic]

Rashid is, to be fair, usually a lot better than he was today - he seemed to be struggling to let the ball go for the first four overs. 

[cricketbadger]

Boring Boring Boring.

He takes wickets, end of

Someone remind how many Ali has so far this series? And while we are at it, which one of them has scored more runs so far?

And yes I am a Yorkshire fan

[Bats_Entertainment]

I would have thought Adil was currently less than popular with Yorkshire fans?

[Manormanic]

We blame the ECB. For everything.

[ppccopener]

We blame the ECB. For everything.

you did,,,and then thought at least 'we are not Durham'

 

[Mpt7]

Rashid is a good one day bowler. he doesn't offer the control or threat to be considered a test match bowler - i know not the point but it does have relevance.

In 50 over cricket people will attack him and he will take advantage with his variations to great effect.

In tests you can be more patient and wait for his rank ball with less pressure to score runs and "unlimited" time

so Rashid is good one day bowler and will continue to be. However, if he were more accurate he would be a fantastic limited over bowler and a very good test match bowler

how do people think Warne would get on it the current smash bang wallop limited over cricket?

[Calzehbhoy]

Can't see the issue?

He wins games for England in limited over cricket, sure he bowls some trash at times but it gets wickets!

[WalkingWicket37]

how do people think Warne would get on it the current smash bang wallop limited over cricket?

Having seen Warne bowling in limited overs cricket for Hampshire for years, his biggest asset was his ability to out think the batsman. Occasionally he went for a few (oh, to be a leg spinner!) but I honestly think he's be lethal even today, his control of the ball and the ability to know what a batsman was thinking before they thought it made him a total handful for anyone.

[ppccopener]

Having seen Warne bowling in limited overs cricket for Hampshire for years, his biggest asset was his ability to out think the batsman. Occasionally he went for a few (oh, to be a leg spinner!) but I honestly think he's be lethal even today, his control of the ball and the ability to know what a batsman was thinking before they thought it made him a total handful for anyone.

absolutely. Warne in his prime would of been the most valuable player in T20. It don't really matter what format it is, bowlers win matches/tournaments/prize money.

similar questions get asked to Viv Richards.....by streets the best batsman I've ever seen and I've seen a few. Richards hit a 56 ball ton against us in.........1986. At the time that was groundbreaking.

Warne couldn't agree more-out thought batsmen. Truly fantastic player in all formats.

[Biggie Smalls]

absolutely. Warne in his prime would of been the most valuable player in T20. It don't really matter what format it is, bowlers win matches/tournaments/prize money.

similar questions get asked to Viv Richards.....by streets the best batsman I've ever seen and I've seen a few. Richards hit a 56 ball ton against us in.........1986. At the time that was groundbreaking.

Warne couldn't agree more-out thought batsmen. Truly fantastic player in all formats.

....and i seem to remember an old , washed up version of Warnie going ok for Rajhistan Royals in the inaugural ipl too !

[Big Mac]

I have noticed though that quite possibly Rashid's run up doesn't give him the consistency we are asking for, Warnes was a slow walk to the crease and a quick gather, rashid's is quick and maybe he get's a bit over excited and slows himself down on occasion coming to the crease which can put him off rhythm? Just a theory... as im no coach, but there isn't a coach in the england set up to tell him any different so all he can go by is his fellow batsman's words and his own personal feel

Warne was a freak of nature with enough strength in his shoulder to get away with a leisurely stroll to the crease. Most mere mortals trying to do the same thing would just bowl slow, loopy deliveries which would do the job at club level but get clobbered all around the park against international players.

You're better off looking at other leggies, MacGill, Qadir, Yasir Shah all put a bit more into their run ups

[Number4]

I feel qualified now to comment on a bowling thread, having to my great joy(and surprise) been given at bowling marker at CBF nets. Long half volleys please to get going? Yes I can do that 

Rashid is about as good as it gets for us, he gets more wickets and poses more of a threat than Mo.

He's a question to ponder FC....take Shane Warne out of the equation. Name one, just one, other leg spinner in the last 20 years who has real control of the ball and can land it where he wants consistently.In county or international cricket.
Murali would come to mind...but although I don't know if he would be classed as a wrist spinner or finger spinner...

I had to demonstrate leg spin as part of my level one coaching course years ago in front of the rest of the group.

About the hardest thing cricket wise I've had to do.

Stuart Macgill
Anil Kumble
Mushtaq Ahmed
Danish Kaneria

[Biggie Smalls]

Sandakaran , the new Sri Lankan chinaman test bowler has good control .

[Seniorplayer]

Deadly Derek Underwood left arm spinner the best of the best had the lot   pace accuracy  etc his wizardry took 8 for 9 against Sussex how many more wickets would he have added to his England total of 297 if he had not gone on that disapproved S A  tour

[Calzehbhoy]

As long as he keeps buying wickets of the set batsman he can bowl all the tripe he likes...