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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1020 on: December 06, 2016, 05:05:50 PM »

Difficult, isn't it.  In the recent examples, you have Renshaw, who is as Yorkshire as they come but has grown up in Australia from the age of ten (though from what I hear does not hold an Australian passport), and Jennings, who has played age group cricket for South Africa but who has a British mother and strong roots here.  Neither is massively offensive - they both have close ties to the country they have chosen to represent, so its hard to judge them adversely.

By comparison, some in the past, like KP, Symonds and Trott, who were going back through the generations to qualify, look more cynical.

As a whole, I think cricket has things more or less right - certainly compared to Rugby Union, where most national sides take their colours less as a badge of allegiance and more as a loose starting point for negotiations.  In recent years, Ireland and Scotland have openly recruited from Super Rugby to fill their problem positions on a three year residency farce, whilst Australia and the great All Blacks use the same opportunities to fill out their sides with numerous pacific islanders. 

The recent Australian tourists had 13 (if you include injury call ups):

Tonga - Latu, Timani
Fiji - Naivalu, Kerevi, Naiyaravoro, Speight, Kuridrani
South Africa - Haylett-Petty
Zimbabwe - Pocock
New Zealand - Houston, Cooper, Faulkner, Lealifano
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1021 on: December 06, 2016, 05:48:47 PM »

By comparison, some in the past, like KP, Symonds and Trott, who were going back through the generations to qualify, look more cynical.

KP has a British mother so he didn't need to go back far.
Trott did have to go back as his family were British decent. Symonds, although he was born in Birmingham and I believe he had British adoptive parents? His real parents were a mix of West Indian and Scandinavian? But as he moved with his adoptive parents to Aus at an early age. It is a real shame about Symonds - I used to enjoy his style of play and if he had of knuckled down then I believe that he could have become a brilliant all-rounder of the game! But he seemed to struggle controlling his aggression which did lead to controversy on a number of occasions. I always thought he wasted his natural talent!  :(

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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1022 on: December 06, 2016, 06:40:57 PM »

Trott's Dad is English.

Symmonds struggled to cope with being a pro sportsman and his love of going out in the lash.
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1023 on: December 06, 2016, 07:13:13 PM »

Trott and KP indeed had at least one English parent.

Symonds whatever fishing trips he went on or nightclubs he visited will always be my favourite Birmingham Aussie for shoulder barging a nude streaker during a one day match in Oz.

The streaker hit the floor heavy and was lucky to still have his dangly bits in tact.
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1024 on: December 06, 2016, 07:19:29 PM »

There is an error in your arguments here gents - both Trott and KP had parents who held British passports - but as far as I'm aware, both had the documents on a hereditary basis, rather than being born and bred as were the others mentioned.

Symonds was a favourite of mine too Pete - so much talent.  I remember watching the 2005 ODI where the whole crowd were heckling the Aussies with "your best player is a Brummie"
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1025 on: December 06, 2016, 07:27:53 PM »

There is an error in your arguments here gents - both Trott and KP had parents who held British passports - but as far as I'm aware, both had the documents on a hereditary basis, rather than being born and bred as were the others mentioned.

Symonds was a favourite of mine too Pete - so much talent.  I remember watching the 2005 ODI where the whole crowd were heckling the Aussies with "your best player is a Brummie"

Ah....well you may well be right.  :) I def thought KP had a parent born here.

But as u mentioned cricket of all the sports has got it pretty much right. I don't particularly agree with the Kepler weasels situation or ..stand to be corrected but Imran Tahir I think has played for two different Countries too....but on the whole the qualification for cricket here seems pretty fair generally speaking.

I often get ribbed  by my Pakistan and Indian mates who do things very differently when it comes to representing the national side goes thou
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1026 on: December 06, 2016, 07:50:31 PM »

The Curran brothers is an interesting one for me. Both brilliant cricketers and probably future England stars.

Both of them brought up in Zimbabwe and SA until 2012 so Tom only completed his residency qualification in October but because Sam was born in Northampton he doesn't need to.

They are brothers  :( :(
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1027 on: December 06, 2016, 08:42:22 PM »

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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1028 on: December 06, 2016, 09:05:48 PM »

Ah....well you may well be right.  :) I def thought KP had a parent born here.

But as u mentioned cricket of all the sports has got it pretty much right. I don't particularly agree with the Kepler weasels situation or ..stand to be corrected but Imran Tahir I think has played for two different Countries too....but on the whole the qualification for cricket here seems pretty fair generally speaking.

I often get ribbed  by my Pakistan and Indian mates who do things very differently when it comes to representing the national side goes thou

The weasels situation was perhaps a bit different given his lack of another route to international cricket - similar to Pocock in Union, hard to blame the guy who has no other route to the top.
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1029 on: December 06, 2016, 09:09:55 PM »

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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1030 on: December 07, 2016, 08:40:17 AM »

Jennings is definitely playing as expected, but now confirmed.
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1031 on: December 07, 2016, 08:46:59 AM »

yes he is in, at least Jennings is in form.  :)
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1032 on: December 07, 2016, 09:11:51 AM »

I do wish our top order wasn't so left hand heavy
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1033 on: December 07, 2016, 09:14:24 AM »

i was thinking i wonder whether Jennings may get a bowl?

he turns his arm over quite regularly for Durham (especially in one day/T20 stuff) and although it's obviously not the most threatening it would give other bowlers a break and maybe handy in those conditions. I bit like Bell use to do.
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1034 on: December 07, 2016, 09:34:30 AM »

i was thinking i wonder whether Jennings may get a bowl?

he turns his arm over quite regularly for Durham (especially in one day/T20 stuff) and although it's obviously not the most threatening it would give other bowlers a break and maybe handy in those conditions. I bit like Bell use to do.

Not a bad shout. They did give James Vince a bowl over the summer after all!
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