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[tate035]

I'm always curious when people talk about alternating left/right handers in batting lineups - if a left hander gets out, are you going to promote the next leftie up a spot to keep the combination going? If not, what's the point?

You can only do this if you have 3/4 batsman of equal ability and to be fair its mainly a tactic against spinner's. I heard the late great Richie Benaud talking about it and TBH it so makes sense its frightening...
Ali,Butler, Stokes, duckett, bairstow and root could all bat 4/5/6 so in this particular series, yes, I would have altered the batting line up accordingly.
Its extremely hard to come to the crease and start playing a spinner who is on the money immediately..

[northernboy1987]

Doesn't Dawson bat 5/6 for Hampshire? Or do we think England see him more as a bowling allrounder (same as they viewed Ansari) at this stage?

[tate035]

cant see what all the fuss is about the curran brothers but ive been wrong before 

For me both brothers should be in the one day/T20 sides next season.. Both are very intelligent bowlers for their years, both hate losing and could IMHO turn into decent all rounders.
However at test match level I don't think either is quick enough but I really do believe that we have any current players and a crop of good young players where no one needs to play all 3 formats..

[ppccopener]

Doesn't Dawson bat 5/6 for Hampshire? Or do we think England see him more as a bowling allrounder (same as they viewed Ansari) at this stage?

Don't know  but I do know one thing, England if we are to reached the promised land of winning in Asia(yes last tour we won due to KP and swann and panesar) we need a proper spinner

there's a lot of expectation for Leach who is in the Lions tour, I hope he does reach he level we need.

far as I know Dawson is a fairly average county bowler who can bat.

[Manormanic]

For me both brothers should be in the one day/T20 sides next season.. Both are very intelligent bowlers for their years, both hate losing and could IMHO turn into decent all rounders.
However at test match level I don't think either is quick enough but I really do believe that we have any current players and a crop of good young players where no one needs to play all 3 formats..

I don't think either are quite ready yet. As for their test credentials, I think Tom might lack the gas, thought you never know till a bowler has been tried - if you discount his first test, Matthew Hoggard bowled 82 his entire career and did okay, so it can be done.

Sam is a bit different - his body is still maturing, and he has the potential to put on a yard or two yet. In any event, his role at the top level is likely to be closer to the one played by a Stokes or Ali in their early career - batting at seven and being the fifth/sixth bowler.

[tate035]

I don't think either are quite ready yet. As for their test credentials, I think Tom might lack the gas, thought you never know till a bowler has been tried - if you discount his first test, Matthew Hoggard bowled 82 his entire career and did okay, so it can be done.

Sam is a bit different - his body is still maturing, and he has the potential to put on a yard or two yet. In any event, his role at the top level is likely to be closer to the one played by a Stokes or Ali in their early career - batting at seven and being the fifth/sixth bowler.

You obviously have watched them a fair bit... You reckon they both could be in champions trophy squad?? Just think the likes of Jordan, Woakes, Finn just don't have enough variations in their bowling..
Neither looks fazed by pressure and Sam seems to becoming on leaps and bounds...

[six and out]

You obviously have watched them a fair bit... You reckon they both could be in champions trophy squad?? Just think the likes of Jordan, Woakes, Finn just don't have enough variations in their bowling..
Neither looks fazed by pressure and Sam seems to becoming on leaps and bounds...

The Royal London group stages are all at the start of the season (27th April - 17th May) before the Champions Trophy (starts 1st June) so anyone could stake a claim if they do well.

[tate035]

The Royal London group stages are all at the start of the season (27th April - 17th May) before the Champions Trophy (starts 1st June) so anyone could stake a claim if they do well.

Cheers for that... Curran's a shoe in then 😀 as there will be no play up north on those dates.. 😤😤

P.S. I am from "up north"

[edge]

Jordan and Finn aren't in the current ODI squad, which is:
Eoin Morgan, Moeen Ali, Jonathan Bairstow, Jake Ball, Sam Billings, Jos Buttler, Liam Dawson, Alex Hales, Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, David Willey, Chris Woakes.
First choice XI is more or less set in stone now (other than possibly the last seam spot):
Hales
Roy
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Moeen
Woakes
Rashid
Willey
Plunkett

leaving Bairstow, Billings, Dawson and Ball as the squad players. Very hard to see many outside getting involved barring injuries.

[tate035]

Jordan and Finn aren't in the current ODI squad, which is:
Eoin Morgan, Moeen Ali, Jonathan Bairstow, Jake Ball, Sam Billings, Jos Buttler, Liam Dawson, Alex Hales, Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, David Willey, Chris Woakes.
First choice XI is more or less set in stone now (other than possibly the last seam spot):
Hales
Roy
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Moeen
Woakes
Rashid
Willey
Plunkett

leaving Bairstow, Billings, Dawson and Ball as the squad players. Very hard to see many outside getting involved barring injuries.

I did notice the few missing on the tour to India.. I was basing my thoughts on who would be picked for English conditions during champions trophy. My team:

Hales
Roy
Root
Duckett
Jos
Stokes
Ali
Curran (either)
Rashid/Dawson
Woody
Plunkett

Obviously based on form in last 12 months. If either opener struggled, I would promote Duckett and bring YJB in. With not picking Morgan, I would have butler and Stokes as captain and vice..

[Manormanic]

You obviously have watched them a fair bit... You reckon they both could be in champions trophy squad?? Just think the likes of Jordan, Woakes, Finn just don't have enough variations in their bowling..
Neither looks fazed by pressure and Sam seems to becoming on leaps and bounds...

First thing to say, its really harsh to judge a player in their late teens or early 20s.  I merely make the point that both could be international players in due course.

As to whether that is in time for the mid part of spring... I would say that is doubtful as far as Sam goes - much as he has a mature head on him, it would be a massive physical step up, and there are proportionately more players in front of him.

Tom must be closer to a bolter pick. England's 15 will be nine batting options, three or for of whom happen to keep, plus Rashid and five seamers (Ali amongst the batsmen, unless they go for one spinner).

That leaves five slots for seamers. Stokes could fill one instead of a batting slot, but probably won't.

So. Five slots, for the sake of argument. If everyone is fit, you would say Willey, Wood and Plunkett are nailed on. Woakes has to be pretty close in English conditions.

One, then, of Finn, Jordan and Ball? He could theoretically get past them. I suspect if he is going to, he will be taken to the West Indies.

[tate035]

First thing to say, its really harsh to judge a player in their late teens or early 20s.  I merely make the point that both could be international players in due course.

As to whether that is in time for the mid part of spring... I would say that is doubtful as far as Sam goes - much as he has a mature head on him, it would be a massive physical step up, and there are proportionately more players in front of him.

Tom must be closer to a bolter pick. England's 15 will be nine batting options, three or for of whom happen to keep, plus Rashid and five seamers (Ali amongst the batsmen, unless they go for one spinner).

That leaves five slots for seamers. Stokes could fill one instead of a batting slot, but probably won't.

So. Five slots, for the sake of argument. If everyone is fit, you would say Willey, Wood and Plunkett are nailed on. Woakes has to be pretty close in English conditions.

One, then, of Finn, Jordan and Ball? He could theoretically get past them. I suspect if he is going to, he will be taken to the West Indies.

All good points.. I tend to agree with the make-up of the side for next few one day series, however IMHO Woakes, Jordan, Finn, Plunkett and Willey don't have enough variation's in their death bowling..
Many games are won and lost on last 10 overs. That's another reason why I would take Morgan out of the equation. Not playing enough cricket and his choice of death bowlers is usually shocking..

[alexhilly1492]

First thing to say, its really harsh to judge a player in their late teens or early 20s.  I merely make the point that both could be international players in due course.

As to whether that is in time for the mid part of spring... I would say that is doubtful as far as Sam goes - much as he has a mature head on him, it would be a massive physical step up, and there are proportionately more players in front of him.

Tom must be closer to a bolter pick. England's 15 will be nine batting options, three or for of whom happen to keep, plus Rashid and five seamers (Ali amongst the batsmen, unless they go for one spinner).

That leaves five slots for seamers. Stokes could fill one instead of a batting slot, but probably won't.

So. Five slots, for the sake of argument. If everyone is fit, you would say Willey, Wood and Plunkett are nailed on. Woakes has to be pretty close in English conditions.

One, then, of Finn, Jordan and Ball? He could theoretically get past them. I suspect if he is going to, he will be taken to the West Indies.

ball came in and did really well in bangla so id play him keep the confidence up seems to be a better option up front and at the death than jordan and finn (im talking for both id say jordan was better at the death)

[Felix Tito]

Not sure why we took Anderson to India TBH. After we ripped them a new one with the green pitches in 2014, they where never going to produce pitches favouring the seam bowlers in this series. Anderson looks undercooked, or it could be too many miles on the clock. We should've sent him to Dubai and let him find his fitness and if needed recalled him for the fourth and fifth Tests

[Seniorplayer]

I like Ball, big heart, tall and he's pretty quick. England will not want to lose Anderson and Broad at the same time (retirement/injury) i'm getting worried about both.

Youre right Jimmy won't be bowling much on flat decks anymore I don't think. We need to get as long as possible out of him and Broad.

think about taking out Anderson and Broad and we are not flushed with options. Ball yes, Woakes......

cant see what all the fuss is about the curran brothers but ive been wrong before 

England have Plunkett  as quick as anyone always does well when selected  and a decent bat he should have been on this tour