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[Seniorplayer]

When the England  get  back home the analysists will look  at where  were it went wrong they will look at the dropped catches  at times the negative Captainacy and importantly the balance of the team they played each match  the decision to take certain players  who did little or nothing  and I think they will decide they could have done better

[ppccopener]

If kholi and his team want some praise and credit start winning away.
England have tried but we were never going to win this-a draw a lot us us would bite your hand off
India are a good side now, they were embarrasing last time they toured here
But real credit starts in away series wins-same as us.
As for us...i think we got a few questions still
Dawson looks like he can bat do we need another allrounder whose batting is stronger?

[csnew]

I'm an England fan but I don't believe the results are even comparable.

NZ and SA atleast had some very high turning bunsens to play on(didn't see any off the aus test so can't comment)



Kohli himself said in an interview this week, he and his team were disappointed they got no praise for those victories, everything merely heaped on the pitches, so they wanted longer lasting tracks with different characteristics to show it's down to them not the pitches.

Totally agree. Pitches were completely different to the pitches in this series.
England have been luckily that they've prepared batting friendly wickets and given they've won 4 out of 5 tosses they've had the best of conditions.

You can mention the number of dropped chances but India have probably dropped more chances. Catching and keeping on the whole has been pretty poor. Cook looks like he'll happily take a draw this test match given the fields he's set

Credit to india, they've played well..even their seam bowlers have out bowled england's

[Manormanic]

Having grown up in an era of bits and pieces cricketers - David Capel, Mark Ealham, Ronnie Irani, Robert Croft, Dermot Reeve, Adam Hollioake - its remarkable that we complain too much about having a range of all round options to balance our side.

Okay, fessing up, Ben Stokes is the only one good enough to be selected as either a bowler or batsman if he were unable to do the other.  But if you go by the alternate line of being good enough to take a fifth of the overs and bat seven comfortably, we have Ali, Woakes and Rashid in the side plus Ansari, Dawson, Patel and Borthwick at or around the squad and capable back up from Bresnan and the Curran lads.

The problem for someone like Dawson is...when will he get another game? 

[petehosk]

Totally agree. Pitches were completely different to the pitches in this series.
England have been luckily that they've prepared batting friendly wickets and given they've won 4 out of 5 tosses they've had the best of conditions.

You can mention the number of dropped chances but India have probably dropped more chances. Catching and keeping on the whole has been pretty poor. Cook looks like he'll happily take a draw this test match given the fields he's set

Credit to india, they've played well..even their seam bowlers have out bowled england's

India have batted better and most of their spinners have put great pressure on Englands batsmen and have taken some wickets through their excellent bowling. Granted that some of the English batting has been under par and they have often given their wicket away! But the spinners have created quite a few chances through their patience and consistent quality....something that the English spinners have only managed to do for a few overs at a time!!
England simply haven't looked up for the challenge on this tour and have often looked ragged and tired and lacking in confidence and determination! Sad and a little disappointing but hopefully England will learn from it and bounce back!
I think on occasions the Indian seamers look to have outbowled Englands seamers - but it is easier to bowl at batsmen who are a little low in confidence than it is to bowl to batsmen who are full of confidence!!
Would I take the Indian batsmen over the English? Some yes, some no! Would I take the Indian spinners over the English spinners? Absolutely yes! Would I take the Indian seamers over the English seamers? Errmmm, absolutely not!!

But India deserve their win fully 

[Seniorplayer]

Although true certain England players looked out of there depth

[Manormanic]

Interesting to put together a composite side.

In English conditions:

Cook
Vijay
Root
Pujara
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Ashwin
Woakes (or Yadav?)
Broad
Anderson

In India:
Cook
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Ashwin
Jadeja
J Yadav/Rashid
U Yadav

Six in both sides. Kohli will surely make both once he re tifies his previous issues in England. At best four away players in either.

[csnew]

Would argue shami's been the best seamer from both sides. Been unlucky with a few drops too. 10 wickets @25's isn't bad

[Manormanic]

Would argue shami's been the best seamer from both sides. Been unlucky with a few drops too. 10 wickets @25's isn't bad

He has bowled okay, yes. But... To skiddy to be successful in English conditions, in Indian, he is good, but would you really take him ahead of Stokes, who brings so much with bat and in the field, or Yadav, who has a great mix of skiddy and bouncy. I think not.

[csnew]

Surprising that India have waited till after lunch to put their foot down. Thought they would have attacked a lot more in the first session to push for a result

[Manormanic]

Why hurry? They will back themselves to do England in a day if necessary. All England have to play for is the calendar year runs record - the other nine can be backed to fold.

[roco]

Looking at bowling

Not seen much of Dawson but he looks like he puts more on it than ansari

Was ansari just below par for him or is dawson better?

Looking at run rates Dawson going at below 3 rpo Ali and rashid over 4

If you can't bowl a side out as a spinner you need to hold an end like the king of Spain used to do, could Dawson do that holding role

[sanredrose]

Karun Nair has gone past 150 now. India can push towards 650 or so before declaration and then try to bowl England out. However India is clearly missing the third spinner. Amit Mishra is certainly not performing up to the standards set by Jayant Yadav. Given the pitch and mediocre third spinner, i don't see this match as anything other than a draw.

Side note - after a long time i see an Indian player sponsored by Gray Nicolls ... ... Extremely happy !!!

[smilley792]

Pretty sure an umpire just said "not out" but then reviewed it himself............ random.

[Woodyspin]

Karun Nair has gone past 150 now. India can push towards 650 or so before declaration and then try to bowl England out. However India is clearly missing the third spinner. Amit Mishra is certainly not performing up to the standards set by Jayant Yadav. Given the pitch and mediocre third spinner, i don't see this match as anything other than a draw.

Side note - after a long time i see an Indian player sponsored by Gray Nicolls ... ... Extremely happy !!!

Mishra (and Rashid infact) don't bowl the googly nearly enough for my liking. just leggy after leggy after leggy, not setting the batsman up for anything!