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[Manormanic]

Well that was embarrassing 

good job the Aussies are down there shortly to show us all how losing in spectacular fashion should really be done!

[Number4]

good job the Aussies are down there shortly to show us all how losing in spectacular fashion should really be done!

I think you guys have showed us the way hahaha

[HallamKeeper]

We drop them and they score big. They drop us and we give them another go.

[Woodyspin]

Redders offered me 4/1 at tea for a piece of the indian win. Foolish that i expected the captains to be shaking hands for different reasons at 10.30.

I actually said to an india work mate we will be bowlerld put for 210 or less 

[alexhilly1492]

before everyone says how bad england are theres a few things to remeber:

India are number one in the world
They have the best bowler and the best batsmen (in home conditions)
they play an extraordinary amount of cricket at home compared to other nations.

Yes england have been woefully outplayed however:

We have found two openers, moeen hasnt been as bad as everyone has said (two hundreds in the series) with the bat
i think liam dawson will be very good for england in the future, can clearly bat and is a good holding spinner
cook if he does step down from captain can relax and just bat and bat and bat
buttler had proven himself very adaptable and should be in the side for a while yet
and jake ball looks a very god prospect, yes needs to work on control at test level but the more he plays the more that will improve
and we appear to be builing a young core of very good players!

one tour doesnt make this a bad side, we have been crying out for players to play there natural game for years and now they are theyre getting criticized for it? if we look at the core players how many are older than 30?

i think if we can build a top 7 out of any of the following we will be in a greta place in regards to batting,

root, hammeed, jennings, cook, ali, bairstow, buttler, stokes, woakes, dawson, ansari, roy, billings

we will have a good side then theres plenty of bowling options when our mainstay bowlers retire,

curran x 2, ball, stokes, woakes, overton x 2 leach ali

yes theres a lot of ifs and buts especially with players who havnt played yet but the majority have played lions cricket or are paying lions cricket!!

lets keep it positive!!!

[Number4]

before everyone says how bad england are theres a few things to remeber:

India are number one in the world
They have the best bowler and the best batsmen (in home conditions)
they play an extraordinary amount of cricket at home compared to other nations.

Yes england have been woefully outplayed however:

We have found two openers, moeen hasnt been as bad as everyone has said (two hundreds in the series) with the bat
i think liam dawson will be very good for england in the future, can clearly bat and is a good holding spinner
cook if he does step down from captain can relax and just bat and bat and bat
buttler had proven himself very adaptable and should be in the side for a while yet
and jake ball looks a very god prospect, yes needs to work on control at test level but the more he plays the more that will improve
and we appear to be builing a young core of very good players!

one tour doesnt make this a bad side, we have been crying out for players to play there natural game for years and now they are theyre getting criticized for it? if we look at the core players how many are older than 30?

i think if we can build a top 7 out of any of the following we will be in a greta place in regards to batting,

root, hammeed, jennings, cook, ali, bairstow, buttler, stokes, woakes, dawson, ansari, roy, billings

we will have a good side then theres plenty of bowling options when our mainstay bowlers retire,

curran x 2, ball, stokes, woakes, overton x 2 leach ali

yes theres a lot of ifs and buts especially with players who havnt played yet but the majority have played lions cricket or are paying lions cricket!!

lets keep it positive!!!

Kohli and Ashwin didn't do much at all in this test match.

Buttler? Adaptable? He scored 43, 18, 76, 6*, 5, 6*.. Can he really stay in the side as a batsman?

I think England still have a couple of positions to fill... a work in progress though

[HallamKeeper]

I think we can be positive as fans but the team itself need to stop hiding behind excuses. We have a lot of young players coming through but that isn't much good if the team isn't winning games and allowing them time to settle in.

Root needs to find a way to convert 50s into big hundreds again. Maybe he needs to go back to 4 and forget the Aussie macho rubbish about putting your best player at 3. KP was a number 4 and was fine there. Maybe in Australia where the ball goes soft sooner the number 3 doesn't get exposed to the new ball as much but in England they will. You want your best batsmen to have the easiest conditions to bat so they maximise their talent surely? The top 3 need to bat time. What is the point of having batsmen like Root, Bairstow, Stokes etc if everyone is trying to score quickly. Don't you wear out the bowlers and then aim to get the fast scorers to come in after 60 overs so they have 20 overs to get themselves in and then murder the new ball allowing the tail to come in and milk another 100 runs?

I think if they can get the batting to improve the bowling will suddenly get better too. Warne and McGrath were amazing bowlers but they also had big runs to play with most of the time which maximised their effectiveness.

[smilley792]

Only positive I've seen is hammed for definate and Jennings as a maybe.


We have been poor through out on pitches that weren't that bad.

We was poor in main against Pakistan and beat a poor sri lankan side. 

Maybe it's complacency but we have reallndropped since beating South Africa at the beginning of the year. We are no where near those performances.

[alexhilly1492]

Kohli and Ashwin didn't do much at all in this test match.

Buttler? Adaptable? He scored 43, 18, 76, 6*, 5, 6*.. Can he really stay in the side as a batsman?

I think England still have a couple of positions to fill... a work in progress though

They did over the series though!

And yeah I think buttler over the series has shown adaptability especially during the 76 where he battled through the evening then expanded as his innings went on!

We need a few better bowlers but I think the batting will take far if it's self!

I'd love a top 4 of cook hammeed Jennings root with yjb stokes Ali following

[csnew]

Cook's a very stubborn man, who still thinks he should be ODI captain. I don't see him stepping down on his own accord. He'll have to be pushed.

Cook's failings this series:
1. wrong team selection
2. too defensive - with 477 on the board he had sweepers out from ball 1.
3. clueless about his bowling changes
4. had a backstop!
5. blamed everything from the pitch, to the toss, to missed chances.
etc.

On a positive least his tossing skills were good

[Number4]

Only positive I've seen is hammed for definate and Jennings as a maybe.


We have been poor through out on pitches that weren't that bad.

We was poor in main against Pakistan and beat a poor sri lankan side. 

Maybe it's complacency but we have reallndropped since beating South Africa at the beginning of the year. We are no where near those performances.

100% agree with Hameed... Still not sure on Jennings

I think Root had a fair tour and is fine batting at 3 and think he would handle the captaincy nicely

[six and out]

Test cricket these days is all about batting 1st and going big and then using scoreboard pressure. There aren't many places around the world anymore that you can genuinely say thats a bowl 1st ground (maybe a couple in NZ or here if the conditions are favorable - but its still a risk) because the corporate seats must be filled for 5 days for the grounds/boards to survive - so the tracks are flat.

Therefore batting and more specifically scoring big 'daddy' hundreds becomes the necessity. We just don't score big 1st innings runs any more (it happened all through the summer as well against PAK). You can say what you like about the 477 and 400 but India then showed what a par score actually was on those pitches!

Our batting needs sorting, to have the skill and determination to bat long - not get 40 or even 80 and get out. It is all well and good saying 'have positive intent' but if that gets you out whats the point.

Whether the captaincy changes or not i believe that is where the issues start. Maybe i am just talking rubbish and to much of a traditionalist 

[Woodyspin]

I think Root had a fair tour and is fine batting at 3 and think he would handle the captaincy nicely

Down under with your abuse i dont think so, but if he has been made captain he'll have to grow bigger balls

[procricket]

Beaten by the better side this time no if or buts.

Things not good enough.

Batting all round not good enough (no consistency) 50 do not win games in India.
Spin cupboard is bare. Rashid is not good enough at all neither are the other lot , yes India have top class players in these conditions but not good enough for me.
Seam Hard to say will be back in pomp back in the Uk.

Overall disappointed with the bitchy England side this time moaning about conditions yet when we are at home we don't.

They have better batters and spinners..

Well played India and fair play much work to do by England but every dog....

India batting stock looks very good they are a very good side I suspect in most conditions now.

[Number4]

Down under with your abuse i dont think so, but if he has been made captain he'll have to grow bigger balls

That's a bit harsh coming from a country of soccer hooligans