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[ppccopener]

close of play...phew!!!

[petehosk]

With the way the wicket is deteriorating I can see England following on.
I predict that the top order will manage to apply themselves a little better but still can't see them reaching the Indian total!
This is the wicket I would have liked to have seen England bat first, as I was interested in seeing how India would bat on a deteriorating wicket but it was not to be!

Shame Hameed got run out! And Duckett doesn't sound as though he is having a great time in these conditions even though people seemed to think that he could thrive in spinning conditions? From what I have seen of Duckett, he doesn't seem to like playing defensively?
So do the selectors show patience for Duckett even though his defensive technique in these conditions seems to looks a tad suspect, and give Buttler a game or two?
Or do they continue to stick by Duckett and give him several more Tests?

[alexhilly1492]

Give duckett more games but have a strong word with him,

I think although this has been a collapse yes, the fact everyone was saying 5-0 and this will happen in every game why are we all shocked?

The joy of England they have these every so often and so seem to learn for the rest of the series! India might win this game but I don't think the rest of the series will be as bad!! Or at least I hope not anyway

[northernboy1987]

@petehosk Dropping Duckett because he doesn't like defending and bringing in Buttler (the most aggressive batsman in the squad) seems a bit back to front haha

[petehosk]

@petehosk Dropping Duckett because he doesn't like defending and bringing in Buttler (the most aggressive batsman in the squad) seems a bit back to front haha

I am not suggesting this - I am just putting the discussion out there.
And Buttler has get quite a decent defensive game in most conditions - I have seen Buttler defend for long periods before going on the attack.
So What I am asking is a legit question.

[ppccopener]

we are on a Bunsen in away conditions, this was always going to be tough, we are going to have to battle, as long as we try to do that it's fine-show some fight like Stokes does......

Duckett has to learn, this is as hard as it gets, the lad has talent.

he stays leg side of the ball, as a lot do who excel in one dayers(hales was the same)

if you look at hameed he has a slightly open stance but is more side on. Hameed steps into the shot, Duckett remains leg side of the ball, so you can see more of the stumps

we have coaches they need to help him

[northernboy1987]

I am not suggesting this - I am just putting the discussion out there.
And Buttler has get quite a decent defensive game in most conditions - I have seen Buttler defend for long periods before going on the attack.
So What I am asking is a legit question.

I'm just teasing Pete, not having a go mate Personally I think we should persevere with Duckett for a good while, the lad's got bags of talent

[six and out]

i worry about Duckett.... it is ok saying give the lad time, he has talent etc.... but that way to bat is completely insane against big turning off spin - especially Ashwin who has the straight one as well so he has no clue how much it's turning, he leaves himself only a few shot options etc...

as he has tried batting like that since he arrived in Bangladesh i wonder what the coaches are doing with him in the nets, because it clearly isn't working.

also i don't think India would make us follow on (if/when they get the chance). There's still 3 days left.

[ppccopener]

I'm just teasing Pete, not having a go mate Personally I think we should persevere with Duckett for a good while, the lad's got bags of talent

He has indeed..

ramprakash needs to get busy working with him. we have good coaches sometimes they are needed.

[petehosk]

also i don't think India would make us follow on (if/when they get the chance). There's still 3 days left.

Was thinking the same - would indicate how brave he is! You wouldn't want to bat on day 5 on this wicket if it's already started to go on day 2!!
But would Kholi play safe and bat for a day to put on a bigger total?

I'm just teasing Pete, not having a go mate Personally I think we should persevere with Duckett for a good while, the lad's got bags of talent

I am not against Duckett either - I also think he has bags of talent but not convinced that his game is ideal for this wicket. And as I said, I do think that Buttler has a half-decent defensive game and would bat better in the circumstances! The fact that Duckett did not seem to change his game at all, even though the circumstances dictated that he should have reigned his batting in a little  is a little concerning. This indicates that he is not a thinking cricketer?
My view is that Duckett should be given more time and coached! As people have said, the talent is there but it needs to be nurtured!

[Seniorplayer]

The wicket has not deteriorated that much Englands batsmen didn't apply themselves

[Felix Tito]

I think we need an extra right handed batsman in the line up. If India are now going to play two off spinners then we can't allow Ashwin to line up so many lefties. Bairstow at 4 with Buttler at 7 with the gloves.

That said India's debutant was pretty impressive. Pretty handy with the bat, looked sharp in the field and typically decent the ball. Shame the top order crumbled otherwise he could've targetted him and see what his tickers like.

Lucky Stokes is still there, anyone who missed it ball hit his stumps but the bails didn't dislodge, he's the form player and if he goes beast mode he could yet pull us out of a hole.

[Mr_Orange]

I am not against Duckett either - I also think he has bags of talent but not convinced that his game is ideal for this wicket. And as I said, I do think that Buttler has a half-decent defensive game and would bat better in the circumstances! The fact that Duckett did not seem to change his game at all, even though the circumstances dictated that he should have reigned his batting in a little  is a little concerning. This indicates that he is not a thinking cricketer?
My view is that Duckett should be given more time and coached! As people have said, the talent is there but it needs to be nurtured!

I haven't seen it yet, but Michael Vaughan on TMS was saying that he could see Duckett was starting to get his feet in line with the stumps more and it was only when Ashwin/Kohli had a leg slip in that he went back to giving himself room because he was conscious of the slip and getting too far across. Good bowling and messing with his head.
Seems like he's taking in the coaching and it's happening, but yes he needs time to let these technical changes bed in. Difficult when there is so little time between games and the back up batsmen may not be up to scratch.

[Big Mac]

The wicket has not deteriorated that much Englands batsmen didn't apply themselves

Agreed, bounce has been a little variable at times but it's not a minefield by any stretch of the imagination. It's just been poor batting, and running, that has put England into this position.

[CrickFreak]

Me likey!!!! 

Seeing the first inning, i guess Root is the only wicket India will have to target, rest will fall automatically.
Poor temperament, could be result of limited overs cricket.
This you would never see from KW or VK.