Topic: India v England Test Series (Read 204936 times)

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #630 on:** November 21, 2016, 12:51:38 PM »

Quote from: csnew on November 21, 2016, 12:02:00 PM

Probably also a better spin option than ansari

No!!!

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #631 on:** November 21, 2016, 12:58:46 PM »

Club cricketer's snap judgement mentality in full effect here!

One Test ago we were only piece of fine tuning away from from having the perfect team! "What a middle order!" etc.

Has it not occured to anyone that this might be about something more than personnel?

ppccopener · « **Reply #632 on:** November 21, 2016, 01:07:33 PM »

there's no need to panic, we lost the toss against the worlds number 1 team in their conditions. India didn't look too clever in the last match batting last(aside from Kholi who is different class)

and the game went to lunch of day 5......

Hameed is a massive positive, Rashid is bowling better, Broad and Anderson bowled well and Cook was back scoring runs.

yes one or two positions are difficult for us, I think our bowling is pretty good even if broad is out next game.

We need everything to go for us with the toss and then put runs on the board.

so far, we are competing far better than India do when they come to England.

start getting a bit positive lads, come on !!

wasted_talent · « **Reply #633 on:** November 21, 2016, 01:13:26 PM »

totally agree with that last comment

a minor tweak or two, that's all.

broad is an enforced changed ---

not sure if Ansari is offering much with bat or ball. maybe his the only other change needed atm

Buzz · « **Reply #634 on:** November 21, 2016, 01:21:11 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on November 21, 2016, 09:41:27 AM

if you were picking the team Buzzmeister, would you take Duckett out of the firing line?

I don't know, it depends where he is mentally and how much faith the team management have got. I haven't seen enough of what has gone one to get a feel for that. But 4 isn't the right place for him, he is an opener.

He is 22, any young player could struggle with the way he has gone.

Hameed is a bit of an exception, but also needs a big score.

northernboy1987 · « **Reply #635 on:** November 21, 2016, 01:27:24 PM »

I'm not sure I'd change anything that wasn't injury related, unless they feel that a 4th seamer is more beneficial than a 3rd spinner. Duckett is only starting his career and has played in some of the most difficult batting conditions that world cricket has to offer, give the lad a fair chance. You can't win as an English sportsman, we as fans are too fickle, people will call for Buttler to come in (even though he hasn't played FC for a year) and then dump all the pressure on him if he has a bad game or two. We are competing with the No 1 ranked side in their own backyard and, for my money, not making too bad a go of it.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #636 on:** November 21, 2016, 01:43:06 PM »

Quote from: 19reading87 on November 21, 2016, 10:13:59 AM

Woakes above Butler?! Share the keeping gloves.... No Rashid?!?!

Go have a sit in the corner of a room on your own and think about what you have just done!!

Ok I admit i need to find space for rashid, but why not share the gloves??

and i said butter was probably too low!!!

six and out · « **Reply #637 on:** November 21, 2016, 01:52:06 PM »

i think we are actually doing well considering all the talk of 5-0 beforehand etc... etc... and to see us take it into 5th day and last almost 100 overs 4th dig is great....

however the fact remains that we lost 4 for 29 in the 1st innings (when the pitch was ok) which pretty much lost us the game, and if we are to stand a chance that can't happen, to do anything in India you have to put 1st innings runs on the board.

i don't think Butler is the answer but i just think he has more chance than Duckett at the moment because Ashwin has him on toast

the other changes are simply injury or pitch enforced - Woakes for Broad and either Ball or Ansari/Batty

wasted_talent · « **Reply #638 on:** November 21, 2016, 02:49:30 PM »

Mohali. next up If I were England, I would look at a couple of tweaks�

Broad is out � injured. Chance for Ball to get a game I feel? Need to see what he can do, has that extra zip ?
Not sure Ansari is offering much. If this next venue isn�t much of a turner, than I would be tempted to get Butler in? so u end up with:

Anderson
Stokes
Ball
2 spinners Ali & Rashid

And then you have batting wise:

Hameed
Cook
Root
Duckett
Ali
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Rashid
Anderson
Ball

Thoughts?

Calzehbhoy · « **Reply #639 on:** November 21, 2016, 03:05:32 PM »

I just don't get all these calls for Buttler to play. What has he done to earn a place?

For me the only way Buttler gets near the side is if Bairstow moves to 4 in which case England would need Buttler to keep.

edge · « **Reply #640 on:** November 21, 2016, 03:06:36 PM »

What's the current forum obsession with dropping Stokes down to 7? Top runscorer and top of the averages?

Realistically we don't need a new 7/8, we need a change in the middle order, so if Buttler comes in he's batting 4-6.

wasted_talent · « **Reply #641 on:** November 21, 2016, 03:08:29 PM »

Quote from: Calzehbhoy on November 21, 2016, 03:05:32 PM

I just don't get all these calls for Buttler to play. What has he done to earn a place?

For me the only way Buttler gets near the side is if Bairstow moves to 4 in which case England would need Buttler to keep.

Hard for butler to do anything to earn a place - as they aren't playing any "side games"
but his in the squad for a reason, don't see the harm in trying him.

and that don't have to be the batting order, ie stokes and buttler don't have to be batting at 7 and 8.

ScottParko · « **Reply #642 on:** November 21, 2016, 03:10:00 PM »

Quote from: edge on November 21, 2016, 03:06:36 PM

What's the current forum obsession with dropping Stokes down to 7? Top runscorer and top of the averages?

To elaborate on that how about filling that problem number 4 slot with the aforementioned top scorer and top average man.... Afterall it is where he would generally bat for Durham....

Calzehbhoy · « **Reply #643 on:** November 21, 2016, 03:29:43 PM »

Depends on how Bairstow feels about it but for me the only way to fix 4 is move Bairstow to 4 which brings Buttler(I don't think he deserves a recall but it does balance the side)into the side at 7 as his WK replacement.

Would then look like -

Cook
Hameed
Root
Bairstow
Ali
Stokes
Buttler
Woakes
Rashid
Broad/Ball/Batty (Depends on fitness/Wicket)
Anderson

smilley792 · « **Reply #644 on:** November 21, 2016, 03:56:58 PM »

BAirstow has said on many occasions, having the gloves helps his batting. It would be counter productive to take them away from him.

Don't upset the guy making the runs!!

As for buttler, he is in the squad yes, but mainly as a backup wicket keeper. Weather there was ever a discussion involving him being a batsmen only, we won't know but at the beginning of the tour he was definately behind both ballance and duckett in the middle order pecking order.
Due to the constraints of the tour, has he really been able to prove otherwise?

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