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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1365 on: December 12, 2016, 03:55:59 PM »

Anderson must get unreal wickets at home as to be the 3rd highest seam wicket taker and have a better strike rate than Pollock and walsh must mean he takes 8 wickets an innings at home to boost his stats
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1366 on: December 12, 2016, 03:56:36 PM »

he only played to keep the yorkies happy!
Same could be said for Root and Bairstow  ;)
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« Reply #1367 on: December 12, 2016, 03:56:48 PM »

I think  england didnt play smart cricket this morning they could have made a better fight of it Bairstow got a good one but what was Woakes thinking he has Buttler the other  end so fourth ball he faces try's to wack Ashwin over square leg misses by a mile then try's to drive him against the spin and gets bowled Absolutly awful shot selection.
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« Reply #1368 on: December 12, 2016, 03:57:41 PM »

Same could be said for Root and Bairstow  ;)

neither of whom have as many wickets as jimmy....
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1369 on: December 12, 2016, 03:58:37 PM »

Anderson must get unreal wickets at home as to be the 3rd highest seam wicket taker and have a better strike rate than Pollock and walsh must mean he takes 8 wickets an innings at home to boost his stats
296 at home in 133 innings
171 away in 97 innings
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1370 on: December 12, 2016, 03:59:07 PM »

neither of whom have as many wickets as jimmy....
But had vastly superior run tallies
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1371 on: December 12, 2016, 04:02:07 PM »

296 at home in 133 innings
171 away in 97 innings

so considering hes poo away he gets 1 wicket extra every 2 innings at home compared to away

2.2 per innings at home 1.8 per innings away

wish I was that bad
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1372 on: December 12, 2016, 04:05:08 PM »

296 at home in 133 innings
171 away in 97 innings

How do steyn, mcrath, lee, kallis, zaheer etc stack up? I'd guess other than zaheer it'd be similar!
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1373 on: December 12, 2016, 04:05:23 PM »

I don't dislike anyone. But apart from Moeen being a "quota pick" he's simply not good enough. Period.

@Felix Tito - which quota is he filling ?

and now back to the cricket chat....

before a CBF batter, me or his dog are facing up to Steyn, Rabada and Philander in the summer a few things for your consideration my fellow willow rubbers. These are just my musing by no means facts or even assertions. just ramblings of a cricket loving buffoon. 

1. difference in this tour was Kohli - without his runs India would have struggled in most instances.
2. we have scored big first innings runs in 2 out of 3 games (400 & 537)
3. England were expected to lost 5-0, we are above exception

positives

1. We have, potentially, found a suitable, stable top 4 in Cook, Hameed, Jennings and Root for the future
2. Ali and Rashid have bowled well in games and (extremely) poorly in others. showing there is talent but they are inconsistent. they should have learnt a lot from tour. We haven't got anything better so we should work with what we have. youngsters without the right temperament and preparation will be crushed and that would not move english cricket forward
3. Butter coming in at 7 balances out the side 
4. Jake ball is another good option  - (we're gonna need some as Broad and Anderson, England's best bowling pair in 50 years, can't go on forever)

Issues
1. ali and rashid aren't world class spinners - did you think that would change cause we are in India?
2. Root doesn't seem to be kicking on and dominating. this is required as the next stage in his development

yes we have got beaten - fairly easily in this test - but overall the side is more developed that when it when in.

Finally - I hope some tells Cook he is a good captain with limited tools in sub continental conditions. Back in England he will be fine. bashing the chef is easy but when he's gone there with be a massive gaping hole at No1 that I don't look forward to having to fill.
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1374 on: December 12, 2016, 04:07:47 PM »

You kind of just disproved your own rule @Felix Tito ....  :D

0.4 wickets per innings difference on 'helpful' to 'unhelpful' isn't a big difference...
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1375 on: December 12, 2016, 04:14:46 PM »

Back to reality then

as above I don't think we have learned anything we didn't know other than hameed and Jennings have POTENTIAL

Cook looks jaded to me and could do with giving up the captaincy as he looks as though his heart is not in it but maybe the 5 months he has off will refuel the tank but we know he is not much of a tactician and I think relies on jimmy and broad to set the fields etc in England but without a confident experienced spinner he has no one to rely on to help in sub continent 

in a quandary myself as do we go with rooooooot and hope he goes well and not the way of beefy, Sachin and lara when teams made there best player skipper

or do we go left field and go someone completely new or little experience like SA did with Smith
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1376 on: December 12, 2016, 04:14:56 PM »

You kind of just disproved your own rule @Felix Tito ....  :D

0.4 wickets per innings difference on 'helpful' to 'unhelpful' isn't a big difference...
Anderson averages 25 at home and 34 away. So he gets less wickets and conceded more runs. Hence we lose more matches...
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1377 on: December 12, 2016, 04:17:56 PM »

Who has the right temperament or nowse to do it in the current side?

I do believe captains and leaders are born not made as it needs to be natural like one of my favourites clive llyod or border or Vaughn

I cant think of anyone in the side now that looks a natural leader with the right temperament
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1378 on: December 12, 2016, 04:21:09 PM »

Who has the right temperament or nowse to do it in the current side?

I do believe captains and leaders are born not made as it needs to be natural like one of my favourites clive llyod or border or Vaughn

I cant think of anyone in the side now that looks a natural leader with the right temperament

I'd go buttler, wouldn't need to keep and I think he's a better shout at 4 than moeen and did really wel skippering in the Odis in Bangladesh
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Re: India v England Test Series
« Reply #1379 on: December 12, 2016, 04:21:52 PM »

Anderson averages 25 at home and 34 away. So he gets less wickets and conceded more runs. Hence we lose more matches...

Take the blinkers off... you've proven the difference in wickets is negligible
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