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[dcullen8]

Not without sticking a reader into the wood.

[InternalTraining]

I think you are mixing up density, dryness and cleft size. The huge 2-7 might be a oversized overdried cleft, not necessarily oversized low density cleft.
Density and dryness can make a bat lighter but not necessarily bigger as point out by Doc in his post.

No, I am not. You can get a low density, big cleft.

Regarding moisture, unless you drill a hole in the bat, you can't get an accurate reading.

This 2-7 is not over-dried; I have seen over-dried bats and how they sounds. There is a world of difference. CA bats meant for Pros are low-density clefts.

[simonmay5]

No, I am not. You can get a low density, big cleft.

Regarding moisture, unless you drill a hole in the bat, you can't get an accurate reading.

This 2-7 is not over-dried; I have seen over-dried bats and how they sounds. There is a world of difference. CA bats meant for Pros are low-density clefts.

How big are we talking for a 2.7

[Contrails]

This 2-7 is not over-dried; I have seen over-dried bats and how they sounds. There is a world of difference. CA bats meant for Pros are low-density clefts.

My experiences have been different to yours.  I have seen a few 7 star CA 15000 plus bats and the way they sound they are definitely over dried.  Also, the Bat sticker says 2.07 weight, but the actual bat weighs about 2.10.  Maybe it's picked up some moisture here in New Zealand.

[procricket]

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=33577.0

this is the limits.

As density is done at cleft form by calculating the volume and weight.

I have seen a 342 but that was mega low....

Most Pro I saw came through B3 used 2-9 to 2-11 they liked meat in there bat.

For me low low density is for people wanting a much lighter bat and getting it bigger.

Pro williow the myth continues.

Say it once say it again some pro get very lucky but they tend to be the paying kind but most use normal density and some have marks some don't.

I have seen so many myths about pro bats.

Some drill em too...

[procricket]

over drying in England ie Airing cupboard or radiator is a funny science to, I find you have to keep doing them over dried tend to sound more metallic.

My old 1271 much has density around 300 as it now 2/4 but it does sound very different.

[InternalTraining]

My experiences have been different to yours.  I have seen a few 7 star CA 15000 plus bats and the way they sound they are definitely over dried.  Also, the Bat sticker says 2.07 weight, but the actual bat weighs about 2.10.  Maybe it's picked up some moisture here in New Zealand.

That's I can't argue with.

My 2-11 was custom made in the CA factory and has retained its weight. My only quibble was that I wanted same grade willow that was used to make my friend's 2-7 7-star (mentioned above). I have knocked around with these bats and they sound very different, not the usual cracking/snappy sound of a CA.

[Uzi Sports]

I believe the weights written on CA bats are without grip and toe guard hence when we receive their bats we weigh them and write their actual weights on the bats

[simonmay5]

@procricket what do you mean when you said "Some drill em too..."?

Before the splice went in they drill a hole down in to the bat to make it lighter

[Mel Jessop]

Hole down the middle like a Hunts Revolution? All the way down or just at the top away from the main striking area?

I often wondered if there was anything to be gained drilling down the edges (both sides from top to bottom) and filling with something lower density like cork (just to stop cracks on compression) but when I looked in to it quickly I think Hunts already beat me to that idea too about 15 years ago 

Yes the Eclipse, my neighbor helped design it and has the original prototype..

[Mel Jessop]

That's pretty cool How did they go and were there any issues with the design (edge cracks I suppose)?

What got me thinking was reading the ICC bat regulations and seeing that a 0.89cm thick toe insert could come up to 6.35cm up the blade and edge inserts could be up to 0.89cm thick and 2.54cm in to the blade. That is quite a volume of wood to replace from the non striking zone and if the insert is wood and could be argued to provide  "protection from surface damage to the face, sides and shoulders of the blade" then it should be a go-er... or just removing the material from the inside like the Hunts Revolution definitely seems ok.... not that it matters to village cricket where you can use whatever but it got me thinking nonetheless.

Sorry got the name wrong it was the modulous that had the carbon fibre in it...  I did pit some pictures up and a little write up somewhere, by all accounts the ball flew off these bats, there was some repair issue but not to many, or so I am led to believe..