Topic: Crying Wolf or in desperate straits? (Read 16486 times)

uknsaunders · « **on:** December 04, 2016, 03:40:49 PM »

Noticed a Facebook post today from a club called Isham CC. There rent is being jacked up by the parish council by 124%. An independent valuation reckoned it should be no more than 11%. As I read the post I had every sympathy for them, especially when they are doing all the maintenance on the playing field. Possibly a hidden agenda to force the club off and sell the land to developers perhaps?

Anyway, I read through it again and the comments. I realised that this horrific increase was actually �480 a year, from �500 to �1000. Given the club appeared to run 2 Saturday teams, a Sunday team and some kind of colts section, this in terms of subs is probably only �10 a member or a �1 or so on a match fee. Secondly, this club has an overseas. Which begs the question how poor are they and why would a �500 increase in rent bring them to their knees when they are probably doing some kind of payment to an overseas. Lastly, is jumping on social media the right way to go about these issues?

Would be interesting to hear people's comments, especially those who know the club and have a feel for the underlying story.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1868753483410949&id=100008289458348

Ayrtek Cricket · « **Reply #1 on:** December 04, 2016, 03:48:02 PM »

Does seem that their rent is very low based upon the previous discussions of pitch hire topic we had a few weeks ago at around �100 a game.

We had to raise �240K to save our ground from disappearing so �500 over the year cant be that much of a push and as you say if they are able to afford to bring over/pay an overseas player then Look at your outgoing budget reductions first of all.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #2 on:** December 04, 2016, 04:04:22 PM »

Do wonder if it's more to do with not asking members to pay more than the cost itself. Some clubs get into a habit of running things on a shoestring rather than saying "look we need to run things at a realistic level and everyone needs to pay a reasonable fee". Sometimes when you explain the issue people can surprise you and put there hands in their pockets.

Northern monkey · « **Reply #3 on:** December 04, 2016, 04:14:33 PM »

Looks a lovely ground with a bar etc, should be more than capable of raising the extra rent needed
A races night or something would raise that easy
More worrying is why they can't ask the players and members for a little extra to cover the cost?
Having a pro and they've still had a crap season,(what's the point?) they must have costs involved with having him play there.
Are those costs worth it to the club?

ppccopener · « **Reply #4 on:** December 04, 2016, 04:26:31 PM »

Generally speaking because we don't know all the facts here, the parish owned grounds I have come across have the most fantastic rent deals available, I don't know why but the clubs I have met that play under these conditions have the best deals available to anyone I've personally come across before.

I can only compare to London costs where a lot of grounds are owned by local councils. When I started playing rents were discounted if you were a community club, was my club still is, but rents rocketed as fields were classed as rentable value as if a house was being built on it.

A club 2 miles from us had a rent increase from 1500 to 12,000 in one season. This was reduced by negotiation to around 7,000.

This was for a club over 100 years old.

This club mentioned will know rent can, and always is, negotiated upwards.

Certainly not something my club would do using social media unless every avenue to raise more cash from the members was exhausted.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #5 on:** December 04, 2016, 04:53:33 PM »

I posted my thoughts a few hours ago and got this response:-

Tony Robinson
�500 pa is a significant amount for a small village club which has consistently punched above its weight for 30 years. It could be the straw that breaks the camel's back over the coming years as it becomes harder and harder to cover the growing costs of running a cricket club. More importantly it is a matter of principle that ICC cannot pay over market rate for anything and the landlord had a valuation done which it has since mis-interpreted at best or simply ignored in order to squeeze the pips out.

roco · « **Reply #6 on:** December 04, 2016, 05:00:19 PM »

How much do people pay???

At our agm I think it was mentioned our lease has been renewed for another 25 years at �85 a year

I saw it and thought it was steep

uknsaunders · « **Reply #7 on:** December 04, 2016, 05:01:34 PM »

Not going to get into a facebook rant on the topic but it does seem that it's less the club going out of business now and more the principle of how it's all been conducted. I'm on their side but it's a bit naughty the way it originally came across. There are clubs in far worse states, who don't have an overseas or reasonable rent.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #8 on:** December 04, 2016, 05:08:26 PM »

Quote from: roco on December 04, 2016, 05:00:19 PM

How much do people pay???

At our agm I think it was mentioned our lease has been renewed for another 25 years at �85 a year

I saw it and thought it was steep

Really depends where you are.

I remember when Marlow were negotiating to buy the land off Whitbred. Bear in mind you couldn't build on it and it was flood plain, they still paid upwards of �500k. Had another party brought the land they would of wanted �10k-20k a year rent , hence why the Sports Club had to buy the land as it was cheaper than leasing it in the long run and the club ran the risk of getting kicked off. The danger is that in a primelocation like Marlow, the land may somehow be built on eventually. Property speculators will just sit on it and make repeated applications until something gets through - then it's worth millions.

simonmay5 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 04, 2016, 05:32:26 PM »

We higher our ground out for Sunday cricket only we do all the work and they pay use 1500 pounds a year

KIPPERS · « **Reply #10 on:** December 04, 2016, 05:40:32 PM »

We pay 13k flat for pitch and nets. The bar is run by the main club so we get no revenue there. and we have to hire an out ground for our 3/4's.

simonmay5 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 04, 2016, 05:47:39 PM »

Just read and it's only going to cost them 48 pounds a month more really not sure that could break the bank a couple of fun raising nights should easily cover costs their overseas player must cost more than this and if I was a member that would be the first thing to look at as if you don't need to have a pro

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #12 on:** December 04, 2016, 08:00:27 PM »

Can't comment on this issue what I can say is that lots of local authority's are looking For signiicant increases in rental for pitches for cricket football Bowls etc.

jamielsn15 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 04, 2016, 08:48:19 PM »

Problem is landowners, usually local authorities but also local councils are seeing cuts to budgets by up to our 70%. Where they can they are trying to asset transfer land at nil value to local councils (LAs) or local communty groups. At work we're seeing land being sold off to developers at rates not seen previously. There trying to stay afloat by any means and sadly this is typical across the UK. The hope is that local communities will take on sites but they do cost to run...

ppccopener · « **Reply #14 on:** December 04, 2016, 09:41:27 PM »

Quote from: jamielsn15 on December 04, 2016, 08:48:19 PM

Problem is landowners, usually local authorities but also local councils are seeing cuts to budgets by up to our 70%. Where they can they are trying to asset transfer land at nil value to local councils (LAs) or local communty groups. At work we're seeing land being sold off to developers at rates not seen previously. There trying to stay afloat by any means and sadly this is typical across the UK. The hope is that local communities will take on sites but they do cost to run...

I'd be very interested to know, if you know, how a local authority or local council can classify for example, land which is a flood plain, at a rateable value even thou they(to my knowledge) cannot actually build any houses or flats on it.

I've been baffled by this ever since I heard about the club close to mine (who are on a flood plain) had their rent hiked by such a massive amount.

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