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[brokenbat]

O'keefe turns the ball even less than Lyon.

Lack of turn is not lyons issue. He gives it a fair rip and gets good drift and dip. I think he is TOO consistent- not enough subtle changes.

[Felix Tito]

A slow left arm orthodox doesn't need to be spinning ragging it square to be effective. Aside from BS Bedi(whom IMO is the best SLA of all time) guys like Vettori, Herath and latterly Jadeja rely on usage of the crease, playing around with pace and getting the odd one to turn to get the batsmen thinking. If O'Keefe can incorporate those traits there's no reason why he can't have a decent run in the Test side. Lastly Santner was the best spinner India faced in 2016, according to Shastri...

[Felix Tito]

Jadeja also uses flight very well... Much better than most I believe

I think Jadeja developed playing with Ashwin. I remember seeing him a couple of years ago, basically everyone at 58-60mph bowling like a robot

[wasted_talent]

Trying to second guess what is likely to be Pakistans XI for the first ODI...

Azhar
Sharjeel
Babar
Hafeez -- likely to be selected as the aussies have a few left handers?
Shoaib Malik
Umar Akmal
Imad
Mo Riz -- as Saf has returned to Pakistan
Amir
Wahab
Hassan

thoughts?

[InternalTraining]

^ Hafeez and Umar Akmal? There are no other options?

[wasted_talent]

there are other options, but I am taking a guess what they are likely to select...

given the conditions and based on assumptions of favouritism towards certain players.. :0)

[Manormanic]

A slow left arm orthodox doesn't need to be spinning ragging it square to be effective. Aside from BS Bedi(whom IMO is the best SLA of all time) guys like Vettori, Herath and latterly Jadeja rely on usage of the crease, playing around with pace and getting the odd one to turn to get the batsmen thinking. If O'Keefe can incorporate those traits there's no reason why he can't have a decent run in the Test side. Lastly Santner was the best spinner India faced in 2016, according to Shastri...

There have been surprisingly few slow left armers who have really ragged the ball.  Going way back in time, Hedley Verity did, but the other great Yorkshire lefties - Rhodes, Wardle, Peel - were masters of flight and pace rather than turn.  Its hard in my lifetime to think of one who has really ragged it - Phil Tufnell could on his day, and Pragayan Ojha got some balls to grip markedly last time England were in India but after that....mental blank.

[edge]

There have been surprisingly few slow left armers who have really ragged the ball.  Going way back in time, Hedley Verity did, but the other great Yorkshire lefties - Rhodes, Wardle, Peel - were masters of flight and pace rather than turn.  Its hard in my lifetime to think of one who has really ragged it - Phil Tufnell could on his day, and Pragayan Ojha got some balls to grip markedly last time England were in India but after that....mental blank.

Monty gave it a pretty good rip at times.

[Manormanic]

Monty gave it a pretty good rip at times.

Not sure that he did really - he turned it sharply on very helpful wickets (eg that series in India, at Old Trafford) but he would not have got it off straight in the most recent series in India, where there wasn't a huge amount of dusting.

[csnew]

The aussies are struggling against spin again. Luckily wade and maxwell got that partnership going.

Aussies will probably still get 265

[smilley792]

Matt Wade rescued them with a ton.


With it him and the returning maxwell they would have been up the creak there.

[HellomynameisJ]

Though he had a lean run in the test series, that innings from Wade to me underlines why he is preferred to Nevill, really gutsy stuff, Nevill is a fine keeper, but lacks presence out in the middle.

[csnew]

Usual hafeez nicking off, aussies should cruise this

[wasted_talent]

smells of poor captaincy / lack of killer instinct to allow the aussies to recover from 70-5 to post 269?

[csnew]

Pakistan have no clue how to bat in ODI's, they struggle to rotate strike and then get out playing a big shot. Don't seem to have any match winners with the bat either