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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #135 on: September 26, 2017, 09:07:58 PM »
Squad is apparently:
Cook,
Stoneman,
Vince,
Root (capt),
Malan,
Ballance,
Stokes,
Bairstow (wkt),
Foakes (wkt),
Moeen,
Crane,
Woakes,
Broad,
Anderson,
Ball,
C.Overton.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/cricket/4554082/england-ashes-squad-james-vince-handed-shock-place-in-side-with-ben-stokes-also-included/
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #136 on: September 26, 2017, 09:10:17 PM »
A lot depends on the first test.

Both sides have some world class players and also some major gaps or question marks, s such that at the moment it looks like a battle between our middle order and their Seam attack.

If we go to the Gabba and lose, it is really hard to see a way back. If we win or draw, it gets easier as Adelaide could favour us, and Melbourne cancels out Perth (assuming the WACA - on a drop in we may be quids in).

So, for me, it's 4 or 5-0 or 2-2.

Big call on selection tomorrow. If the press are right and it's Vince, Ballance, Ball, Overton I'm skeptical.

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #137 on: September 26, 2017, 09:13:07 PM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on September 26, 2017, 07:55:10 PM
I hate to but o agree here! I'm not sure the ecb would let hales back unless it was serious bother he must be the only witness that stokes can rely on! Anyway back you the point to replace stokes is nigh on impossible,

Without him for me woakes is the alrounder and bats at six!

Stokes is probably our most aggressive and quickest bowler so that needs replacing, if go for plunkett

Without benny and taking into all the roumors and hearsay I'd pick:

Cook
Stoneman
Root
Robson
Malan
Woakes
Bairstow
Ali
Plunkett
Broad
Anderson

And take
westley
Crane
Vince
Overton
Buttler
Ballance

If Woakes is picked to bat ahead of YJB the so world has gone mad
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #138 on: September 26, 2017, 09:23:05 PM »
Quote from: Manormanic on September 26, 2017, 09:10:17 PM
A lot depends on the first test.

Both sides have some world class players and also some major gaps or question marks, s such that at the moment it looks like a battle between our middle order and their Seam attack.

If we go to the Gabba and lose, it is really hard to see a way back. If we win or draw, it gets easier as Adelaide could favour us, and Melbourne cancels out Perth (assuming the WACA - on a drop in we may be quids in).

So, for me, it's 4 or 5-0 or 2-2.

Big call on selection tomorrow. If the press are right and it's Vince, Ballance, Ball, Overton I'm skeptical.



I think the press are right, Malan has the spot in the middle order at the moment. Slightly surprised about Vince but he's a good player with potential.

hales had a case(presuming he is out) but it's about the best we could do. Rashid finished in test match cricket for sure now.

I think we will only play one spinner Really in all matches thou, maybe Sydney is the only track to play 2....hope Mo don't get injured...or get in trouble  :)
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #139 on: September 26, 2017, 09:34:06 PM »
I'd really like to see another all-rounder in at 5, someone who can bat but bowl a bit (6th bowler). Just not sure who that could be. Otherwise a Ballance/Hales/Malan choice.

I'd really like to see Robson at 3, or open at Stoneman 3 as Root wants 4.

Shame TRJ got injured, hope he's fit again soon.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #140 on: September 26, 2017, 10:18:03 PM »
For those who like stats, this BBC article gives an excellent table comparing the hopefuls!

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41404874
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #141 on: September 26, 2017, 10:20:11 PM »
Vaughan and ISM using their influence again
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #142 on: September 26, 2017, 10:23:55 PM »
Oh no... Vince struggles with the step up from div 2 of the county championship to div 1, never mind test cricket! If that selection's been made then it really has all gone wrong.

edit: the ECB media mouthpiece, aka the Telegraph, is reporting the same. Vince at 3 and Malan 5 it is then. Never mind, at least when Vince fails we'll have... Gary 'but there's nothing wrong with my technique' Ballance! Can see Foakes getting a debut this winter.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #143 on: September 26, 2017, 10:45:11 PM »
Hand me my noose
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #144 on: September 27, 2017, 05:50:41 AM »
According to aggers the squad has been leaked

Root, Cook, Stoneman, Malan, Ballance, Vince, Moeen, Crane, Foakes, Bairstow, Stokes, Woakes, Broad, Anderson, Ball, Overton.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #145 on: September 27, 2017, 06:25:44 AM »
Yes and you would presume Malan stays in the same position Vince or Ballance at 3. I don’t think Gaz is a number 3 bat more like 5....

Or... :) Root moves up to take the trouble spot which he should imo

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #146 on: September 27, 2017, 06:54:12 AM »
Basically we have a heap of 4/5's and nobody comfortable at 3 other than the skipper who doesn't like it.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #147 on: September 27, 2017, 06:59:43 AM »
FFS don't mind the bowling but Balance really?

He's proved time and time and time again he cannot cut it at the top level, he may score thousands of championship runs but he gets found out every time at international level and refuses to change

May as well play with 10 rather than pick him, can't believe no Hales unless this weeks events have poo pood that

Got to be Roots call to get his mate in as no other considerable reason he should be near the side. Then again maybe he makes the nest squash in the world ever?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #148 on: September 27, 2017, 07:46:39 AM »
The way I look at it, Ballance has proved that he is no good batting at 3. As Root is at 4, this means that he can only really bat at 5 or below.
But we already have Malan and Hales who can bat at 5? So why have three who can bat at 5?
Or maybe they are thinking that Hales has batted at 2 and may be ok as an alternate 3 batsman?
This would mean...

Cook
Stoneman
Vince or Hales
Root
Malan or Ballance
Stokes
etc!

I guess we will only find out in November!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #149 on: September 27, 2017, 07:50:21 AM »
Quote from: Kulli on September 27, 2017, 06:54:12 AM
Basically we have a heap of 4/5's and nobody comfortable at 3 other than the skipper who doesn't like it.

Exactly I really really don't buy the issue with root at 3, he got 250 last time I saw him bat there

It reminds me of my club side where everyone wants to bat 5
Complete nonsense
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