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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2400 on: December 23, 2017, 04:00:28 AM »

The article says that Ewen Chatfield swollowed his tongue. This is medically impossible, although I'm sure it was a very upsetting incident.

If the umpires in this series haven't been protecting England's tail why are we not giving it back to the Aussie tail? They might not be quite as quick, but I'm sure the umpires would do something if we just bowled bouncers at them.


This is what that expression means: http://www.naturalhealingmagazine.com/how-to-give-first-aid-when-someone-swallows-their-tongue/
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2401 on: December 23, 2017, 08:14:19 AM »

Seen England bounce the likes of Sri Lanka and West Indies’ tail at Home plenty of times. Find it amusing now that it’s happening to them and their moaning.

The likes of atherton writing articles in the times in support of Anderson - never once heard him say on commentary that its dangerous when England do it. The irony!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2402 on: December 23, 2017, 09:48:56 AM »

Curran will be playing in Melbourne apparently.
I am delighted for him. I suspect that he may hasten the end of Broad's career.

Doubt he will hasten the end of anyone's career  what's he going to do get ten Aussie wickets.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2403 on: December 23, 2017, 09:56:11 AM »

Doubt he will hasten the end of anyone's career  what's he going to do get ten Aussie wickets.

Broad looks to be over the hill though. You can't keep retaining someone on past performance and the chance they might produce a magic spell once in a blue moon.

Curran doesn't need to take 10 poles, 1 would be an improvement on Broad's returns in the last Test...
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2404 on: December 23, 2017, 09:58:10 AM »

Broad looks to be over the hill though. You can't keep retaining someone on past performance and the chance they might produce a magic spell once in a blue moon.

Curran doesn't need to take 10 poles, 1 would be an improvement on Broad's returns in the last Test...

And  an improvement on Woakes returns in the series.
Broad hasn't had many poor returns in a long  england career he's a proven match winner maybe not this series but  he will bounce back.
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« Reply #2405 on: December 23, 2017, 10:17:21 AM »

Great,another up and down medium-paced trundler...
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2406 on: December 23, 2017, 10:34:06 AM »

And  an improvement on Woakes returns in the series.
Broad hasn't had many poor returns in a long  england career he's a proven match winner maybe not this series but  he will bounce back.

Why bring Woakes into this? He'll be around for a long while yet and will likely take the new nut when Jimmy hangs up his boots.
Broad is 31 years old, down on pace and seems to lack the threat he used to pose.

In 2017 he has taken 25 wickets in 19 innings, at an average of 39.47.
Over his career he has 393 at 29.23, so it's clear to see his performances are on the slide.

As for returns in the Ashes, nobody (apart from Jimmy "past it & can't bowl in Australia" Anderson) has really given a good account of themselves?
I suppose you could argue Craig Overton has made a good start to his career under testing circumstances 

James Anderson - 12 wickets at 25.83
Chris Woakes - 7 wickets at 51.57
Craig Overton - 6 wickets at 37.67
Stuart Broad - 5 wickets at 61.8
Moeen Ali - 3 wickets at 105.33
Joe Root - 1 wicket at 56
Jake Ball - 1 wicket at 115
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2407 on: December 23, 2017, 11:24:44 AM »

Broad has been there and done it  got  top batters out for a guy whos been around a while Woakes   rarely produces match winning performances as for age Woakes is not that far behind Broad in this series at times broad bowled well  and could have had wickets Woakes as bowled far to short
But yes if no one else is ready he may well take the new ball when jimmy finshes
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« Reply #2408 on: December 23, 2017, 11:33:24 AM »

I thought you were a big Woakes fan @Seniorplayer ?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2409 on: December 23, 2017, 11:34:08 AM »

Lads. Broad isn’t finished because we have the NZ and home series to go for at least the next 12montha. That means plenty of easy bunnies on friendly tracks. Same for Anderson and for woakes.

None of them are going anywhere because most people will simply dismiss this series as a ‘one off’ or ‘we just don’t suit the environment’. You can already hear people making excuses for players / coaches / counties about it all.. plus, you can see that some players are suddenly becoming the answer as they aren’t playing even though they will literally just as bad because they are from the same system and style.

Time to accept that England are green top bullies and just enjoy it when it’s swinging and seaming around like a trooper and people can claim everyone is world clsss again. Aus will struggle away because their batting won’t cope but again, just like us the Aussie media and fans will be in denial.

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2410 on: December 23, 2017, 11:36:45 AM »

I thought you were a big Woakes fan @Seniorplayer ?

Would be a big fan if he could win Matches for England with bat or ball
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2411 on: December 23, 2017, 11:46:08 AM »

That's a pretty blunt assessment RPC and an accurate one too.
Broad does not have a good record in Oz and so it has proved again. Most test teams struggle away from Home these days England are not alone in that.

We are actually competing more in this series than the Aussies did in England in the last series ,we just don't have the firepower to hit back with, or a good spin option in these conditions.

Woakes and broad are similar back of a length bowlers, without genuine pace they are not getting much out of it. The worry as well as Mo Ali....he doesn't look fully fit and/or short on confidence.

We need still to find another spinner and some pace-same problems we have had for years.jimmy is our most skilful bowler so not surprised he has the most wickets.

On the positive side, Overton,Stoneman and Malan and also Vince.....have done pretty well.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2412 on: December 23, 2017, 11:59:43 AM »

It's quite simple - Broad is stuck rolling his wrist down the side of the ball at release instead of keeping it behind the ball, which is stopping him bowling quickly or moving it away. He's been doing it for a while and it's nothing to do with Australia! Take a look at his stats over the last 18-24 months, they're rubbish. If you back to any one of the famous Broad spells, what does he do? Bowls rapid and moves the ball away. If he can make the technique change he'll return to form no trouble at all, if he can't then he's cooked.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2413 on: December 23, 2017, 11:25:53 PM »

Just seen that Tim Paine is a doubt for the 4th test and Peter Handscomb has been going through keeping drills. In their home country why couldn’t Australia simply call up another keeper?
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« Reply #2414 on: December 24, 2017, 01:16:18 AM »

Just seen that Tim Paine is a doubt for the 4th test and Peter Handscomb has been going through keeping drills. In their home country why couldn’t Australia simply call up another keeper?

He is a wicket keeper... all be it occasionally
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