Topic: Ashes 2017-18 (Read 407129 times)

jamielsn15 · « **Reply #345 on:** September 29, 2017, 01:48:55 PM »

Vaughan commenting today on TMS that stokes was out drinking until 3am during a test match this summer. Played the next day. Perhaps the ECB will be taking numerous issues into account.

If this incident doesn't become his 'rock bottom' and make him learn his lesson, nothing will. It looks like his incidents have escalated over years.

I was once told that life isn't about not making mistakes, its about learning from them. No one can do that but him.

He may get off lightly in terms of punishment from the police, but his history of going out and getting smashed may be more of an issue for his employer...

iand123 · « **Reply #346 on:** September 29, 2017, 01:51:30 PM »

Quote from: golders on September 29, 2017, 01:05:54 PM

Interesting comments from Nasser 'the beak' Hussain in the build up to today's odi. He was saying that if a court case is hanging over Stokes there is no way he can go to Aus- can you imagine the abuse he will get the minute he gets off the plane? If however Stokes is cleared completely he's good to go! We have been told the recipient of Stokes' (rather impressive I must admit!) right hook sustained 'facial injuries'- I feel a lot may depend on how severe these injuries are...
I think even the Aussie public will be disappointed if Stokes doesn't take part in the ashes- he is exactly the type of cricketer they like. Test match cricket will be the poor for it! Sad sad situation all round.

He hit the ground pretty hard, could have been so much worse

iand123 · « **Reply #347 on:** September 29, 2017, 01:52:42 PM »

Quote from: jamielsn15 on September 29, 2017, 01:48:55 PM

Vaughan commenting today on TMS that stokes was out drinking until 3am during a test match this summer. Played the next day. Perhaps the ECB will be taking numerous issues into account.

Why is Vaughan saying that? What surprises me more is that Stokes is a fellow ISM stablemate, usually they are bullet proof

tate035 · « **Reply #348 on:** September 29, 2017, 01:56:09 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on September 29, 2017, 12:49:36 PM

You can make derogatory comments about me all you want, it still doesn't change one fact: physical battery and excessive use of force is INDEFENSIBLE. For an England vice-captain, Stokes showed extremely poor judgement by getting drunk out of his wits, getting into a fight at 2 am with nobodies, and punching someone senseless. Comparing his situation to past actions by others is just condoning bad behavior and making excuses.

Stokes needs psychiatric help and more importantly, he needs to grow the hell up!!!

FGS.... Please can you use facts!!! You don't know what condition he was in and what's more... Excessive use of force is NECESSARY sometimes...
You really need to find the full facts out before you make an educated assessment of someone...

Big Mac · « **Reply #349 on:** September 29, 2017, 02:06:22 PM »

Quote from: tate035 on September 29, 2017, 01:56:09 PM

FGS.... Please can you use facts!!! You don't know what condition he was in and what's more... Excessive use of force is NECESSARY sometimes...
You really need to find the full facts out before you make an educated assessment of someone...

Excessive
ex�ces|sive
[ɪkˈsɛsɪv, ɛkˈsɛsɪv]
ADJECTIVE
more than is necessary, normal, or desirable; immoderate:

ppccopener · « **Reply #350 on:** September 29, 2017, 02:08:47 PM »

Quote from: iand123 on September 29, 2017, 01:52:42 PM

Why is Vaughan saying that? What surprises me more is that Stokes is a fellow ISM stablemate, usually they are bullet proof

I think there�s no doubt Stokes is in the wrong, he may well get a ban and lose his central contract but it does seem a bit open season-the media are out to get him now.
As I�ve said before this is real life, our sports stars make mistakes same as we do-some of them maybe are not nice people either

I don�t really see why Vaughan rent a quote says that.

Stokes has done wrong and will pay the price somehow....lots of people in the media are no angels making moral judgements

Northern monkey · « **Reply #351 on:** September 29, 2017, 02:10:54 PM »

Just watched the footage

Hmmm
Stokes wasn't gonna just walk away from that, he was pretty determined to land a decent punch.
And to me, he doesn't look that drunk.

I think his image has been built up, and he was trying to live up to it.
The bloke who went down after Stokes clocked him, was lucky the back of his head didn't hit the ground.

Should never have been in the situation in the first place.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #352 on:** September 29, 2017, 02:14:31 PM »

Quote from: iand123 on September 29, 2017, 01:52:42 PM

Why is Vaughan saying that? What surprises me more is that Stokes is a fellow ISM stablemate, usually they are bullet proof

Could be Vaughan is saying by playing the next day Ben can handle being out till 3am better than most.

jamielsn15 · « **Reply #353 on:** September 29, 2017, 02:57:09 PM »

I think Vaughan was saying this in acceptance that Stokes has an ongoing problem and is in trouble with the ECB. The context was that the players are teated as adults - no curfews, free to soend evenings as they please - and that perhaps that needs to be looked at.

I don't think its necessarily a media free for all. There's a clear pattern to Stokes' behaviour that is relevant to the current incident. It provides context. I've been critical of Vaughan' sensationalist commentary in the past but i didn't get that thisntime, it felt more sad than anything...

Onto the other point regarding what is reasonable or excessive force, take any sentence you type and add 'your Honour' to the end of it. Just to see how it would sound in court. What we think doesn't matter, its entirely down to the police and CPS.

tate035 · « **Reply #354 on:** September 29, 2017, 03:45:07 PM »

Quote from: Big Mac on September 29, 2017, 02:06:22 PM

Excessive
ex�ces|sive
[ɪkˈsɛsɪv, ɛkˈsɛsɪv]
ADJECTIVE
more than is necessary, normal, or desirable; immoderate:

Lol... Unfortunately in the REAL WORLD not everything is defined by necessary, normal or desirable... Perhaps you should speak to Special Forces, anti terrorism squad's etc etc...

If only life was as simple as behaving in the manner or way the dictionary describes the word...

ppccopener · « **Reply #355 on:** September 29, 2017, 04:21:03 PM »

Quote from: jamielsn15 on September 29, 2017, 02:57:09 PM

I think Vaughan was saying this in acceptance that Stokes has an ongoing problem and is in trouble with the ECB. The context was that the players are teated as adults - no curfews, free to soend evenings as they please - and that perhaps that needs to be looked at.

I don't think its necessarily a media free for all. There's a clear pattern to Stokes' behaviour that is relevant to the current incident. It provides context. I've been critical of Vaughan' sensationalist commentary in the past but i didn't get that thisntime, it felt more sad than anything...

Onto the other point regarding what is reasonable or excessive force, take any sentence you type and add 'your Honour' to the end of it. Just to see how it would sound in court. What we think doesn't matter, its entirely down to the police and CPS.

Good points made in this post. I find it interesting people on this forum have very different ideas about sports people and being role models, Stokes is employed by the eco and there is a police investigation.he will have to take both consequences whatever they are....

Should we expect a whiter than white role model? I don�t think we have the right to expect that myself

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #356 on:** September 29, 2017, 05:51:26 PM »

If there is a court case during the tour and with Stokes being innocent until proved otherwise Stokes could if the ECB let him go leave his legal team to sort out what's needed go to Aus England and come back for the hearing.

golders · « **Reply #357 on:** September 29, 2017, 06:10:41 PM »

Can't see him being allowed to go if he has an impending court case

enlightened · « **Reply #358 on:** September 29, 2017, 06:15:41 PM »

Quote from: tate035 on September 29, 2017, 07:58:43 AM

Only one knob I"m afraid... Good news for you is that you must look at him every time you look in a mirror..

Stunning wit. Well done.

England vice captain - out at a nightclub at 2:30am in the middle of a one-day series. Gets involved in a fight which he could clearly have walked away from. Yep....really intelligent.

six and out · « **Reply #359 on:** September 29, 2017, 06:25:40 PM »

Quote from: golders on September 29, 2017, 06:10:41 PM

Can't see him being allowed to go if he has an impending court case

If there was an impending court case surely AUS would have grounds for not granting Stokes a Visa to get into the country

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