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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2220 on: December 17, 2017, 10:09:52 AM »

Sorry senior but I disagree on all that
The mentality of keeping players in based on past performance etc, is wrong.
These lads are professional players paid to perform, not sign autographs, look good etc etc
You pick your best current players full stop

Or stop paying em

Your right but aren't these still  Englands best current players 
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2221 on: December 17, 2017, 10:13:11 AM »

That's the crux of it yeah

So dig around and find the next jimmy Anderson etc
They did it all those years ago, when he was pinging em down in the nets over there

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« Reply #2222 on: December 17, 2017, 10:15:26 AM »

Your right but aren't these still  Englands best current players

No, not on current form their not! If we lose and the series is over I'd drop all 3 and tell them they are going to have to earn their place back in the summer.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2223 on: December 17, 2017, 10:22:51 AM »

I don't think any description can do that ball justice...



To be fair to James 'million dollar' Vince...no one is playing that.  :)
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2224 on: December 17, 2017, 11:17:22 AM »

To be fair to James 'million dollar' Vince...no one is playing that.  :)
Geoffrey would have seen it off with a solid forward defence with his rhubarb :D
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2225 on: December 17, 2017, 12:19:00 PM »

 The ball moved 19 inches on pitching Poor vince he is going to see it played on social media over and over....
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2226 on: December 17, 2017, 03:10:11 PM »

All of this s is good for England in the long term. Hopefully, after the ashes, Root will come to his senses and give up captaincy to focus on scoring runs and his career. Cook is done, he is just not consistent enough. It’s time for England to train a new top order batsman. These newbies are showing heart and fight! 👌
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2227 on: December 17, 2017, 03:50:32 PM »

That delivery is as close to actually unplayable as you are ever going to get - the only guy with a hope, ironically, would be the rabbit tailender poking his bat nervously where h thinks it might go - and then only by pure dumb luck.

On selection, I would not rush to throw baby out with the bathwater here.  A lot of the difference in this series has been down to conditions that suit one team massively (same squads in English conditions, we win), and to a lack of conviction in the England side arising from the Bristol incident and von Strauss' apallingly bad management of the situation.  Ask yourself, had that not happened, would the series be the same (no - we would probably still lose, but it'd be a lot closer).

In terms of selection, the only real issue I can see is around the bowling being so samey.  That is not an easy one to solve and anu solution would have been a mahoooosive punt. Some have mentioned Plunkett, but he has taken single figures of first class wickets in the last two seasons, others have asked for a left armer, but the options - Garton, Footitt, Sam Curran, Willey etc - are not of the required class (yet). 

If we lose here, I'd like them to make changes - blood Foakes and Curran, perhaps Crane too - ahead of the tour in four years time.  But come NZ nothing much will have changed.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2228 on: December 18, 2017, 01:40:50 AM »

Looks like roots doing his best to convince the umps the pitch is unfit for play.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2229 on: December 18, 2017, 01:54:27 AM »

With the water that got underneath the covers it doesn't look promising. Not that I'm complaining, mind.
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« Reply #2230 on: December 18, 2017, 02:02:57 AM »

With the water that got underneath the covers it doesn't look promising. Not that I'm complaining, mind.

Yeah, what a terrible blunder by the ground staff. Probably ruined a 5-0. Thnx guys....
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2231 on: December 18, 2017, 04:11:09 AM »

If we get 3 hrs at them, and get either bairstow or malan early we are a chance.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2232 on: December 18, 2017, 06:58:06 AM »

This was Vaughans photo of the wicket this morning.

Proper WACA wicket... I don't think there is many places in the world where the cracks become so distinctive on a pitch on the final day.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bc09_7wjlVh/

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2233 on: December 18, 2017, 07:49:13 AM »

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2234 on: December 18, 2017, 08:01:45 AM »

Congrats to the Aussies. Completely outplayed us in every department.

Now what are we going to do to try and salvage some pride.
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