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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2940 on: January 09, 2018, 08:26:43 AM »
Quote from: HellomynameisJ on January 09, 2018, 02:54:08 AM
I think the Bairstow Vs Paine battle is only decided by which side of the fence you stand on.

Paine 192 runs @48 with 25 catches
Bairstow 302 runs @34 with 10 catches

I think Bairstow having to bat with a woeful tail is evened out by the fact that Paine got declared on in the 30's and 40's a few times. I think they both kept well, Paine looked a bit cleaner and probably earned a few wickets with good reviews. But then again that is me looking through green and gold lenses.

Bairstow was batting against a far stronger bowling attack! There is no contest in my opinion. I would take Bairstow over Paine every day of the week!
Alas, the rest of the comparisons are far less flattering on England  :( And that is a real worry!!  :o
Even Smith v Root and I would take Smith!

My "Best of Ashes" team would be.......

Cook
Warner
Khawaja (although if I could move Root to 3 then I would pick Root every time!)
Smith (c)
Malan
Bairstow
Starc
Cummins
Hazlewood
Lyon
Anderson

I would want Anderson in there as he is the most skillful and experienced bower. Also he offers something different on different wickets.
The rest of the bowling attack is pretty obvious really! Not the strongest of tails frokm a batting point of view but they can all bat a bit on their day too. Plus with that bowling line up, a side would do well yo post a decent total against them  ;)
 

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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2941 on: January 09, 2018, 09:02:57 AM »
What I took from an interview this morning was that Farbrace does the coaching and Bayliss does the management. Farbrace is very popular with the players.

I don't know if that makes Farbrace a good candidate or not?

Is he too close, or the right kind of close?
Is he just a good number 2?
Is there too much player power and decision making by naïve, callow players in pressured situations?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2942 on: January 09, 2018, 09:11:02 AM »
They do need to get the players to work on their weaknesses!
MV was saying that Malan was in the nets and working on his batting a lot of the time. 
Now taking Stoneman as an example - beware the bouncer and yet he didn't see him working on that in the nets at all!! Stoneman was just getting throw downs and no bouncers to work on. Is that the coaches fault or the players fault?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2943 on: January 09, 2018, 09:21:43 AM »
Quote from: petehosk on January 09, 2018, 08:26:43 AM
Bairstow was batting against a far stronger bowling attack! There is no contest in my opinion. I would take Bairstow over Paine every day of the week!
Alas, the rest of the comparisons are far less flattering on England  :( And that is a real worry!!  :o
Even Smith v Root and I would take Smith!

My "Best of Ashes" team would be.......

Cook
Warner
Khawaja (although if I could move Root to 3 then I would pick Root every time!)
Smith (c)
Malan
Bairstow
Starc
Cummins
Hazlewood
Lyon
Anderson

I would want Anderson in there as he is the most skillful and experienced bower. Also he offers something different on different wickets.
The rest of the bowling attack is pretty obvious really! Not the strongest of tails frokm a batting point of view but they can all bat a bit on their day too. Plus with that bowling line up, a side would do well yo post a decent total against them  ;)

That might be a tad harsh on Shaun Marsh!

If we went for four bowlers it's probably:
Cook on a technicality
Warner
Root
Smith
Marsh S
Malan
Bairstow
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Anderson/Hazlewood
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2944 on: January 09, 2018, 09:26:57 AM »
Quote from: Manormanic on January 09, 2018, 09:21:43 AM
That might be a tad harsh on Shaun Marsh!

If we went for four bowlers it's probably:
Cook on a technicality
Warner
Root
Smith
Marsh S
Malan
Bairstow
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Anderson/Hazlewood

I did think it was a bit harsh too, but you need to look at the bowling attacks faced! Malan batted really well when all around him were struggling against a very strong, quick and positive attack who looked well up for it! Whereas Marsh was facing a more tired looking (and slightly negative looking, some would say toothless) bowling attack. This is the same reason I picked Bairstow over Paine!
But I would have done the same team as you if I had have not kept my players in their strict positions!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2945 on: January 09, 2018, 09:40:06 AM »
Quote from: petehosk on January 09, 2018, 09:11:02 AM
They do need to get the players to work on their weaknesses!
MV was saying that Malan was in the nets and working on his batting a lot of the time. 
Now taking Stoneman as an example - beware the bouncer and yet he didn't see him working on that in the nets at all!! Stoneman was just getting throw downs and no bouncers to work on. Is that the coaches fault or the players fault?

Very good point -

Stoneman against the short ball
Vince against anything outside off stump
Ali getting out 7 times LBW to the off-spinner (?)

With the amount of backroom staff on this tour, between analysts, coaches, the player themselves and the bloke who sews the labels into their underpants - how does no-one recognise these repeated failures and try to rectify them?
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2946 on: January 09, 2018, 09:41:15 AM »
Unless he is reacting to the live cricket, I don't believe a word that comes out of Michael Vaughan's mouth.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2947 on: January 09, 2018, 09:43:36 AM »
Quote from: FattusCattus on January 09, 2018, 09:40:06 AM
Very good point -

Stoneman against the short ball
Vince against anything outside off stump
Ali getting out 7 times LBW to the off-spinner (?)

With the amount of backroom staff on this tour, between analysts, coaches, the player themselves and the bloke who sews the labels into their underpants - how does no-one recognise these repeated failures and try to rectify them?

I have no idea! Someone should have been looking at these repeated failures and working on them constantly!!
As I said, was it pure coincidence that Malan was working on his failures in the nets most of the time (according to MV) and he batted well?  ;)
I know MV can come out with some tripe, but this is one time he may have a point!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2948 on: January 09, 2018, 05:39:31 PM »
It's bloody hard to change your technique in the middle of a tour. It's not like the old days where a tour lasted 4 months and you had two weeks between tests, with enough time to fit in a practice game in between every test.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2949 on: January 09, 2018, 05:56:43 PM »
Quote from: Big Mac on January 09, 2018, 05:39:31 PM
It's bloody hard to change your technique in the middle of a tour. It's not like the old days where a tour lasted 4 months and you had two weeks between tests, with enough time to fit in a practice game in between every test.
Very true this, Malan's a good example - when he debuted a lot was made of him being slightly closed off and stuck with it even though he didn't go too well vs the SA pacers, some time off and he made the change for Aus, with success.
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2950 on: January 09, 2018, 07:02:52 PM »
You might be motivated to try and change your technique on a short tour if the same bloody ball keeps getting you out!
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2951 on: January 09, 2018, 08:11:06 PM »
If you haven't read this yet, you should.

One Englishman who had an exceptional tour.... George Dobell

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22000001/tea-sympathy-suffice-england-face-another-drubbing
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2952 on: January 11, 2018, 10:14:51 AM »
Wow what an article!
For me it's all spot on
Nail on the heads would be an understatement
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2953 on: March 27, 2018, 05:05:43 AM »
Quote from: Number4 on December 26, 2017, 03:48:16 AM
Australian Schedule

Feb-Apr Tour S.A
Jun-Jul Zim tour Aus
Jul Ban Tour Aus

I’ll put my money on Warner

Bump

Do you still put your money on Warner?

Average of 90 in SA has taken a drastic dip and it ain’t seem like he’lol be back anytime to rectify his average after the massive hole he’s dug for himself :D

Like I said Warner has been in decline and the hill is a wee bit too stiff for him to try get back on the incline lol

Ain’t funniest post of the year now is it
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Re: Ashes 2017-18
« Reply #2954 on: March 27, 2018, 08:04:50 AM »
Quote from: Shinpathy on March 27, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
Bump

Do you still put your money on Warner?

Average of 90 in SA has taken a drastic dip and it ain’t seem like he’lol be back anytime to rectify his average after the massive hole he’s dug for himself :D

Like I said Warner has been in decline and the hill is a wee bit too stiff for him to try get back on the incline lol

Ain’t funniest post of the year now is it ?



Average can’t go down if you aren’t batting so funniest post still stands 😂🤪🏏
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