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Biggie Smalls

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Re: Visit to Kippax 24/11/17
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2017, 02:07:51 AM »
Does kippax have a grade lower than players grade ? If not , i cant even see how these are graded on performance as there would be no other grade for lesser bats to be put into . If they do have a lower grade then fair enough , but it would not be for me .
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Re: Visit to Kippax 24/11/17
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2017, 08:17:38 AM »
I've seen some lovely kippax bats over the years, but not overly enamoured with that selection and especially at those prices!

They would have to put the ball 'through' Ijc,s ceiling for me to part with 350quid!
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Re: Visit to Kippax 24/11/17
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2017, 08:48:00 AM »
what do most manufacturers charge for butterfly bats?
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Re: Visit to Kippax 24/11/17
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2017, 09:14:31 AM »
£120-£175
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Re: Visit to Kippax 24/11/17
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2017, 10:27:28 AM »
Poor Mr Kippax!
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Re: Visit to Kippax 24/11/17
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2017, 10:34:20 AM »
Devils advocate here. To be fair the same amount of work/attention to detail goes into making the bats regardless of the grade. Also, butterfly grade is probably as rare as grade 1 so based on scarcity, the pricing is right.
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Re: Visit to Kippax 24/11/17
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2017, 10:48:22 AM »
Thought I'd make one comment as I did the visit report so to speak - I don't want to cause countless ping pong posts that's for sure.

I did see some very clean sapwood bats, ones with heartwood and others with butterfly stains or more character as you can see in the pics. Aesthetically for sure there was some difference - pricing wise that's up to batmaker and the customer if they want to buy it. I'm sure if you had any request 8-10 grains and no heartwood or whatever Kippax (or a local forum member) would pick it out for you. It's all very subjective - all I would say is whilst it's a forum and things can and should be debated we've seen over the years that forum sponsors have stopped posting and in certain quarters ended there association. Let's not have a repeat of that with Kippax who have stated they intended to have a greater presence moving forward.

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Re: Visit to Kippax 24/11/17
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2017, 10:55:21 AM »
The biggest, lightest bat for its size that I have is struggling to win beauty pageants. So it goes I guess.

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Re: Visit to Kippax 24/11/17
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2017, 12:24:10 PM »
Most people just want a cricket bat to help them score runs.
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Re: Visit to Kippax 24/11/17
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2017, 12:52:22 PM »
I've visited Kippax and bought and used their bats and always been very happy with the service and performance.

I've just finished Douglas A. Watlings book, The Life And Times of The Cricket Bat Willow and I have a question that I'm genuinely interested to hear the answer of.

Kippax are predominantly a willow merchant, not a bat maker.  When selling their clefts to batmakers, do they also price on performance over looks?

I'm sure not everyone uses Mr Watlings willow grading process, but he grades, super best, best, seconds, thirds & fourths/common willow. 

A lot of the butterfly willow, heavily coloured and uneven grained clefts would be classed as fourths/common willow and would basically be the lowest grade and sold to batmakers at the cheapest price.
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Re: Visit to Kippax 24/11/17
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2017, 12:57:05 PM »
we have over 100 bats in our show room plenty of different looking bats to cover all bases. not every customer likes the same weight and look.  the best looking bats or grade one willow is not always the best performing bat, we dont advertise or sell bar stain or butterfly bats we just make some as a option for customers visiting our factory because in our opinion we find that the not so good looking bats ie butterfly stain bats tend to perform better than bats with 10+ grains.
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Re: Visit to Kippax 24/11/17
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2017, 01:01:46 PM »
@Kippax does a butterfly bat cost the same as an all spawood bat?

Quote from: Kippax on November 27, 2017, 12:57:05 PM
the best looking bats or grade one willow is not always the best performing bat

Being controversial, as you grade on performance would a "grade 1 bat" be priced lower than a butterfly on performance alone?
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Re: Visit to Kippax 24/11/17
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2017, 01:03:26 PM »
all our bats cost the same apart from our sancta grail
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Re: Visit to Kippax 24/11/17
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2017, 01:05:28 PM »
Thanks  :)

Best ask Santa for some bat money
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Re: Visit to Kippax 24/11/17
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2017, 01:10:44 PM »
Quote from: Kippax on November 27, 2017, 12:57:05 PM
we have over 100 bats in our show room plenty of different looking bats to cover all bases. not every customer likes the same weight and look.  the best looking bats or grade one willow is not always the best performing bat, we dont advertise or sell bar stain or butterfly bats we just make some as a option for customers visiting our factory because in our opinion we find that the not so good looking bats ie butterfly stain bats tend to perform better than bats with 10+ grains.

Not sure if that was in reply to my post @Kippax or a general post to all forum members?

Either way, my post/question was more one regarding the willow you supply to batmakers, not the bats you supply to individuals?
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