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InternalTraining

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Re: MCC Regularions -User Experience
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2018, 08:19:42 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on January 02, 2018, 06:56:16 PM

I then saw Viv Richards bat in the Lords museum and my own bat is 2 or 3 times the physical size of it.


If I remember correctly, he used a 3 lb bat.

I have never really received a clear answer on whether the volume adds any performance (distance) to a bat i.e. whether two bats of same weight but different volume perform differently. Maybe volume enlarges the sweet spot? I know from experience, my 2-10 XP-80 2000 goes like a rocket from the huge middle.
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« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2018, 08:34:27 PM »
If you take two otherwise identical bats, but one has a thicker cross-sectional area, that bat will be stiffer in bending and will therefore perform better. Not by very much though, given the margins concerned.
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« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2018, 11:14:25 PM »
People also forget about mentality. Modern players are brought up to be fearless and not worry about getting out. It damages red ball Cricket but for white ball they are happy to take risks. Historically generally less were willing to do that. Add to that the fact modern bigger bats don’t hit it further, but they do have bigger sweet spots and more wood off centre meaning miss hits still travel..

So, if back in the day you knew If you didn’t Middle it there was a 80% chance you’d be out you wouldn’t risk the shot. Now, less risk and more reward so the risk is taken by batters
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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2018, 12:05:19 PM »
Albert Trott hit the ball over the Lords pavilion almost 120 years ago and nobody has done it since, look at the monstrous edges on this bat

« Last Edit: January 03, 2018, 07:45:24 PM by Big Mac »
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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2018, 06:40:35 PM »
Look at that hat!!

Batting in fielding pads,,and where's the bat? All I can see is a toothpick
I'd struggle getting it off the square with that

Serious kudos

And I'm on eBay now trying to find one of those 🎩
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« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2018, 12:23:13 PM »
Quote from: Big Mac on January 03, 2018, 12:05:19 PM
Albert Trott hit the ball over the Lords pavilion almost 120 years ago and nobody has done it since, look at the monstrous edges on this bat




Interesting comment about Trott, from Wikipedia:

'Trott was widely acknowledged as the finest all-round cricketer of his day. A true student of the game, Trott's bowling relied less on pace than it did on guile and spin; his variations ensured that a batsman rarely faced the same ball twice in an over. Trott was a dynamo in the field, with the ball seldom escaping his commodious clutch. He regularly turned matches for Middlesex with his powerful hitting, using a 3 pounds (1.4 kg) bat, at least half a pound heavier than was then usual.'
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« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2018, 12:32:45 PM »
I have always wondered, how did the bat makers manage to make such thin looking bats so heavy! would be very interesting to see what a player can do with a 3 pound bat so thin!
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« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2018, 01:03:01 PM »
Quote from: mo_town on January 04, 2018, 12:32:45 PM
I have always wondered, how did the bat makers manage to make such thin looking bats so heavy! would be very interesting to see what a player can do with a 3 pound bat so thin!

i think the only difference "crazy edges" bring, is that mishits carry a bit further.. as in, will clear the 30 yard circle. thats about it. all these "monstrous" hits today have nothing to do with bat dimensions ("F=M x a" afterall). players spend time training specifically to clear the ground, and they're obviously better at it than former greats. leaving aside the actual technique of power hitting, just look at videos of current players in the gym, doing oly lifting etc - wonder how many of those Geoff Boycott could do in his prime..
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« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2018, 01:21:00 PM »
Quote from: mo_town on January 04, 2018, 12:32:45 PM
I have always wondered, how did the bat makers manage to make such thin looking bats so heavy! would be very interesting to see what a player can do with a 3 pound bat so thin!

Clefts nowadays are drier than they were back in the day, so the extra moisture content in older bats added weight. On top of that they were probably pressed to within an inch of their lives and soaked in linseed oil.

You don't have to go back all that far, plenty of people on this forum probably have bats that weigh 2.11 that have edges half the size of modern bats weighing 2.7
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« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2018, 03:02:11 PM »
Quote from: JK Lewis on January 04, 2018, 12:23:13 PM
Interesting comment about Trott, from Wikipedia:

'Trott was widely acknowledged as the finest all-round cricketer of his day. A true student of the game, Trott's bowling relied less on pace than it did on guile and spin; his variations ensured that a batsman rarely faced the same ball twice in an over. Trott was a dynamo in the field, with the ball seldom escaping his commodious clutch. He regularly turned matches for Middlesex with his powerful hitting, using a 3 pounds (1.4 kg) bat, at least half a pound heavier than was then usual.'

Thanks for posting this!!!

The original post would make people think that magical deeds were possible in the olden days with their tooth pick bats. How idiotic! Give this 3 pounder to a modern/today's batsman and ball will clear the Lords pavilion and the adjacent parking lot. Sheesh.

It's a god damned 3 pounder pressed so hard that it has the surface hardness of a steel plate!
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« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2018, 04:02:09 PM »
Quote from: InternalTraining on January 04, 2018, 03:02:11 PM
Thanks for posting this!!!

The original post would make people think that magical deeds were possible in the olden days with their tooth pick bats. How idiotic! Give this 3 pounder to a modern/today's batsman and ball will clear the Lords pavilion and the adjacent parking lot. Sheesh.

It's a god damned 3 pounder pressed so hard that it has the surface hardness of a steel plate!

If thats the truth then why dont modern players use such bats instead of the ones with big edges? Is it only for mis hits?
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Re: MCC Regularions -User Experience
« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2018, 04:11:14 PM »
Quote from: mo_town on January 04, 2018, 04:02:09 PM
If thats the truth then why dont modern players use such bats instead of the ones with big edges? Is it only for mis hits?

Same reason people wear Gore-Tex jackets instead of waxed cotton.
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« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2018, 04:35:17 PM »
Anyone else Lövin the outfit this dude has on?
Walking out to bat with a hat looking class

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« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2018, 04:43:22 PM »
Quote from: InternalTraining on January 04, 2018, 03:02:11 PM
Thanks for posting this!!!

The original post would make people think that magical deeds were possible in the olden days with their tooth pick bats. How idiotic! Give this 3 pounder to a modern/today's batsman and ball will clear the Lords pavilion and the adjacent parking lot. Sheesh.

It's a god damned 3 pounder pressed so hard that it has the surface hardness of a steel plate!

Considering the Middlesex boys have tried with their current gear on a couple of occasions and not got it I doubt it, check the videos on YouTube
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Re: MCC Regularions -User Experience
« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2018, 05:49:30 PM »
Quote from: springbok45 on January 04, 2018, 04:43:22 PM
Considering the Middlesex boys have tried with their current gear on a couple of occasions and not got it I doubt it, check the videos on YouTube

How many sixes did that guy hit through out his career? I say, he got lucky that day. He hit the ball very high and there was enough wind to carry it over the pavilion.

We simply don't know those conditions (in which he hit that mighty six) and attributing all that to his skill is not accurate nor fair. Let's recreate the conditions, ball speed, wind speed, and give that tooth-pick 3 pounder to McCullum, Gayle, or Morgan and see where the ball lands.

Albert Trott got lucky. There. I said it. He couldn't consistently hit that big six and I wonder how many sixes did he hit thru his career.
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