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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #60 on: January 09, 2018, 04:02:40 PM »
Quote from: northernboy1987 on January 09, 2018, 03:58:01 PM
To be fair my team had Stokes in ;)
It did, which is why you didn't need 5 other bowling options! ;)
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #61 on: January 09, 2018, 04:05:06 PM »
Quote from: edge on January 09, 2018, 04:02:40 PM
It did, which is why you didn't need 5 other bowling options! ;)

But you said I could have Mo if Stokes played :(

In all seriousness. Mo's had a shocker but surely he has a little credit in the bank after a good summer?
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #62 on: January 09, 2018, 04:13:02 PM »
Quote from: northernboy1987 on January 09, 2018, 04:05:06 PM
But you said I could have Mo if Stokes played :(

In all seriousness. Mo's had a shocker but surely he has a little credit in the bank after a good summer?
I said I'd drop Moeen if Stokes didn't play, not drop Moeen regardless! Could be Crane/Broad/Woakes from that side making room for a batsman instead, just no point playing 6 bowlers.

...probably still would drop Moeen though.
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #63 on: January 09, 2018, 04:19:23 PM »
Quote from: edge on January 09, 2018, 04:13:02 PM
I said I'd drop Moeen if Stokes didn't play, not drop Moeen regardless! Could be Crane/Broad/Woakes from that side making room for a batsman instead, just no point playing 6 bowlers.

...probably still would drop Moeen though.

To be fair after the lack of penetration shown by bowlers on this tour maybe we do need 6 bowlers, problem I I suppose we could also use 7 batsmen to make sure we got 400+ more often than not :D
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #64 on: January 09, 2018, 04:35:28 PM »
so Mo's test career basically depends on whether Stokes plays or not. lol.

 :D :D
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #65 on: January 09, 2018, 04:53:12 PM »
It would be nice to have 7 bowlers and 7 batsmen but don't suppose we could get away with that one  ;)
But I would be happy with the following balance:

1. Cook (he needs to work on consistency)
2. Stoneman (needs to work on short ball)
3. Root (unless we can find a very solid no3 or if Hameed finds form)
4. Malan (assuming he continues to work hard on his batting and has the skill to move to 4)
5. Stokes
6. Bairstow
7. Ali / Overton / TRJ (depends on track)
8. Woakes (he needs to find the extra pace he had for a while again!)
9. 90+ mph bowler (similar to Steve Harmison/Flintoff whe they were bowling fast and accurate!)
10. We need a decent front line spinner! Crane? Hopefully!
11. Anderson

The above is obviously wishful thinking because we are struggling to find a 9 and 10 described above.
I do like Ali and hope he gets some form back soon, but if we had a proper front line spinner, then he can be replaced if the wicket is a green top? 
Broad could slot in again once he gets his mojo back, or could replace Woakes if he doesn't find the form or pace he had last year.

If Stokes doen't play, then a Vince/Hameed needs to slot into bat at 3 and Root and Malan move to 4 and 5.
Then you have lost one pace bowler so if you had a front line spinner, that leaves you with Anderson plus 2 pace bowlers if Ali plays?
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #66 on: January 09, 2018, 05:08:51 PM »
What's the benefit of playing the extra bowler Pete? If it's a green one you're selecting 5 seamers there! Only 90 overs in a day and all that.
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #67 on: January 09, 2018, 05:26:35 PM »
More choice. Wickets suit different bowlers more than others. Then the wicket starts to deteriorate and suits other bowlers. Just gives so many options.
But if that is overkill, then bring in another batsman such as Hameed? 
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #68 on: January 09, 2018, 05:47:19 PM »
Quote from: petehosk on January 09, 2018, 05:26:35 PM
More choice. Wickets suit different bowlers more than others. Then the wicket starts to deteriorate and suits other bowlers. Just gives so many options.
But if that is overkill, then bring in another batsman such as Hameed?

I think the way we are struggling to get to 400 I would want the extra batsman... but you could go with someone a bit more dynamic like Livingstone as the extra batsman. Or the Foakes argument and give him the gloves.
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #69 on: January 09, 2018, 07:41:25 PM »
Poor Moeen, gone from England's second leading wicket taker in 2017 to being booted out of the team!
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #70 on: January 10, 2018, 09:54:26 PM »
When is the squad being announced- I thought it was tonight for some reason?
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #71 on: January 10, 2018, 10:14:35 PM »
It was announced at 10pm https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/590619/england-name-test-squad-for-new-zealand-tour

You can all stop picking names out of your county hats, thank you
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #72 on: January 10, 2018, 10:16:26 PM »
Livingstone and wood in ballance, ball and Curran out

Stokes also picked
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #73 on: January 10, 2018, 10:18:11 PM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on January 10, 2018, 10:16:26 PM
Livingstone and wood in ballance out

Livingstone, Wood and “Stokes” in.

Ballance, Curran and Ball out.
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Re: England Red Ball Squad for New Zealand
« Reply #74 on: January 10, 2018, 10:31:00 PM »
Welcome back Ben stokes...hopefully.

Don't know much about Livingstone and with Vince(who must play now in the squad) they are certainly giving him enough opportunities, he has the talent not sure he has the mental capacity to bat in tests thou myself.

More interesting that just the squad names if it we change with Stokes(presumably) in the side and play Foakes and Bairstow as a specialist.

That would be a fairly big change. I have a feeling in my water that is what we will do thou. Foakes gets capped and Baistow 5.
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