Topic: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful. (Read 21165 times)

FattusCattus · « **Reply #75 on:** March 17, 2018, 09:09:31 PM »

You can beat the Aussies ten times, but if you rat on your skipper, get your coach fired and fall out with most of your teammates- you can stick it up your Yarpie ass as far as I�m concerned.

Buzz · « **Reply #76 on:** March 17, 2018, 09:15:43 PM »

Moores was going to be fired anyway.
Takes two to tango with the team mates.
We only heard what the Saffas leaked to upset the England team and Swann thought happened with those texts, not what actually happened.
Oh and the innings he played that day was beyond anything anyone else could have played.

And he didn't call someone a c*** on live tv.

The reality was that he was driven in a way that others weren't. That wound people up. It happens.

I think that there are a few members of the current team who could use that drive.

FattusCattus · « **Reply #77 on:** March 17, 2018, 09:37:43 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on March 17, 2018, 09:15:43 PM

Moores was going to be fired anyway.
Takes two to tango with the team mates.
We only heard what the Saffas leaked to upset the England team and Swann thought happened with those texts, not what actually happened.
Oh and the innings he played that day was beyond anything anyone else could have played.

And he didn't call someone a c*** on live tv.

The reality was that he was driven in a way that others weren't. That wound people up. It happens.

I think that there are a few members of the current team who could use that drive.

We don�t know that for certain

You are saying that all the teammates at all the clubs he played at are wrong?

If nothing was said, then the Saffas had nothing to leak?

You are basically saying it�s everyone else�s fault, and if you can score a brilliant innings you can be excused a careers worth off being an a-hole?

You have clearly underestimated how much I have drunk to believe my assessment of the man is unshakable!

stevat · « **Reply #78 on:** March 17, 2018, 09:39:31 PM »

Was there in Adelaide in 2010 for his 227, utterly imperious, and he hit a straight 6 that was truly ludicrous on those long boundaries.

Brilliant batsman, surely would have surpassed 10,000 test runs were it not for all the furore.

SD · « **Reply #79 on:** March 17, 2018, 11:35:51 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on March 17, 2018, 09:15:43 PM

The reality was that he was driven in a way that others weren't. That wound people up. It happens.

I think that there are a few members of the current team who could use that drive.

Cook seemed to prefer a dressing room with guys like Gary Balance or Moeen Ali who lack drive and aggression but were never likely to represent a challenge to manage rather than lead a team who go out and take the game to the opposition. The rot started under Strauss but England declined significantly under Cook.

I don't see that any of the subsequent problems with KP would have happened had injury not ended Vaughan's career. He retired with a reputation as an outstanding captain and that has only further been enhanced with what has followed since.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #80 on:** March 18, 2018, 09:05:22 AM »

Quote from: SD on March 17, 2018, 11:35:51 PM

Cook seemed to prefer a dressing room with guys like Gary Balance or Moeen Ali who lack drive and aggression but were never likely to represent a challenge to manage rather than lead a team who go out and take the game to the opposition. The rot started under Strauss but England declined significantly under Cook.

I don't see that any of the subsequent problems with KP would have happened had injury not ended Vaughan's career. He retired with a reputation as an outstanding captain and that has only further been enhanced with what has followed since.

What makes you think ballance and moeen don�t have as much drive as KP ?? Being �aggressive� or �gobby� isn�t an indication of more/better motivation..

ppccopener · « **Reply #81 on:** March 18, 2018, 09:20:46 AM »

Cook in reality played very little test cricket with Ballance and the major amount of his 100 plus tests with Kevin Pieterson.

england are playing virtually all year round so it's not really surprising players form friendships and tolerate each other if it goes the opposite way, look back thru history not everyone gets on with each other, Gower and Gooch for example hated each other.

Whilst I don't like some of what KP has done the role of Swann,Anderson and Broad and maybe Prior has to of played a role in what happened in the dressing room,quite what role no one really knows,but you are talking about well established senior players who will have a lot of clout.

Flower was very regimented, Pieterson has the opposite character.
For example if the Ashes series we lost 0-5 Flower wanted extra nets,extra training,extra practice, Pieterson in that case argued strongly for 'working on skills because that is letting us down'. KP himself said this many times in interview.

In that case where you have two options to work on,which one would you choose?

So it's not all cut and dried with KP..

Blank Bats · « **Reply #82 on:** March 18, 2018, 09:25:40 AM »

Love him or hate him, the man was box office, loved watching him bat.

Not interested in all the other stuff tbh.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #83 on:** March 18, 2018, 09:35:41 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on March 18, 2018, 09:20:46 AM

Cook in reality played very little test cricket with Ballance and the major amount of his 100 plus tests with Kevin Pieterson.

england are playing virtually all year round so it's not really surprising players form friendships and tolerate each other if it goes the opposite way, look back thru history not everyone gets on with each other, Gower and Gooch for example hated each other.

Whilst I don't like some of what KP has done the role of Swann,Anderson and Broad and maybe Prior has to of played a role in what happened in the dressing room,quite what role no one really knows,but you are talking about well established senior players who will have a lot of clout.

Flower was very regimented, Pieterson has the opposite character.
For example if the Ashes series we lost 0-5 Flower wanted extra nets,extra training,extra practice, Pieterson in that case argued strongly for 'working on skills because that is letting us down'. KP himself said this many times in interview.

In that case where you have two options to work on,which one would you choose?

So it's not all cut and dried with KP..

Agreed. Swann, Anderson and broad are saints around these parts and yet may have been the bully�s. So we accept bullying but not someone a bit hard to manage. Then you have the modern group of pee heads, locker hitters and thugs who again.. seem to be immune.

KP as a man aside, just seems like duel standards

Big Mac · « **Reply #84 on:** March 18, 2018, 10:28:13 AM »

Yes KP is an (No Swearing Please) but let's not act like Swann/Prior/Broad/Anderson are innocent

uknsaunders · « **Reply #85 on:** March 18, 2018, 11:18:27 AM »

Think KP would make a good coach? Certainly has some good ideas?

stevat · « **Reply #86 on:** March 18, 2018, 11:27:24 AM »

Quote from: SD on March 17, 2018, 11:35:51 PM

Cook seemed to prefer a dressing room with guys like Gary Balance or Moeen Ali who lack drive and aggression but were never likely to represent a challenge to manage rather than lead a team who go out and take the game to the opposition. The rot started under Strauss but England declined significantly under Cook.

I don't see that any of the subsequent problems with KP would have happened had injury not ended Vaughan's career. He retired with a reputation as an outstanding captain and that has only further been enhanced with what has followed since.

Vaughan was a brilliant moderator. Good captain and the owner of a beautiful cover drive.

Buzz · « **Reply #87 on:** March 18, 2018, 12:05:15 PM »

Vaughan also was blessed with the best quizzical look when playing round a straight one and being bowled...

Manormanic · « **Reply #88 on:** March 18, 2018, 12:25:23 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on March 18, 2018, 12:05:15 PM

Vaughan also was blessed with the best quizzical look when playing round a straight one and being bowled...

This is quite true - he made it seem like the very idea that a bowler would move the ball was an insult to his glorious cover drive.

Manormanic · « **Reply #89 on:** March 18, 2018, 12:30:06 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on March 17, 2018, 09:15:43 PM

Moores was going to be fired anyway.
Takes two to tango with the team mates.
We only heard what the Saffas leaked to upset the England team and Swann thought happened with those texts, not what actually happened.
Oh and the innings he played that day was beyond anything anyone else could have played.

And he didn't call someone a c*** on live tv.

In the thirty two years I've been watching cricket, Pietersen is the most outrageously gifted player to bat for England. He had that rare ability to make it appear as though he was batting on a completely different pitch against totally different bowlers to the rest of the side, and played a half dozen of the most incredible innings ever seen for England.

Was he difficult? There are enough people in the game who disagreed with him publicly to think that he must have his moments.

But...the real problem, as with so many things in English cricket, rests with his alienation under the leadership of one Andrew Strauss. How that man is still given the opportunity to wreck havoc on the English game is beyond me.

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