Topic: Counterbalances (Read 6997 times)

Kulli · « **on:** February 19, 2018, 09:46:58 AM »

Always been a fair few mentions of counterbalances on here, and I see from all the bat photos that a fair number of members add them to their bats, but what I have always wondered about is the split over why.

I add 2-3 1-inch strips of grip under the grip on all my bats, but I do so because it sits nicely into the top of my top hand, and possibly because it helps with no grip slippage, especially if I have a bit old mow. I'm pretty sure the weight involved in 2-3 inches of chevron grip is insufficient to have any effect, and I've never really noticed any change in the feel of the bat after doing this.

I do understand that the general consensus though seems to be for a counterbalance (pretty sure that's the wrong word since the weight is still on the same side of any pivot point) where the idea is to add weight high up the bat in order to improve the pickup. This seems to be done by adding lead (other weights are available) to the knob of the bat, whether has lead tape or by hollowing out the top of the handle, etc.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2018, 10:08:16 AM »

tried cut grips lead tape lead flashing ball bearing in the top of the handle plus solid lead wrapped around the top of the handle nothing been really effective in improving the pick up.

Kulli · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2018, 10:12:37 AM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on February 19, 2018, 10:08:16 AM

tried cut grips lead tape lead flashing ball bearing in the top of the handle plus solid lead wrapped around the top of the handle nothing been really effective in improving the pick up.

I would be interested to heard from someone with some technical knowledge in the area about how much weight would have an effect, and what that effect would be.

mo_town · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2018, 10:27:50 AM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on February 19, 2018, 10:08:16 AM

tried cut grips lead tape lead flashing ball bearing in the top of the handle plus solid lead wrapped around the top of the handle nothing been really effective in improving the pick up.

Agreed...tried the same to no effect. Maybe the pros get it done professionally so it works for them. The most notable for me is Kallis. Always seen him with a counter balance on his bats. Even the other day when he was playing in the Ice Cricket matches he had a counter balance on. Maybe its just a comfort thing. Probably has a placebo effect where the batsman feels that the bat is picking lighter.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2018, 10:54:57 AM »

Once tried to alter the balance by cutting an inch of the top of the handle and placing a one thick piece of round steel on top of the handle the same diameter of the handle and covering it with a plastic cap of a spray can to hold it in place covered by a cut grip and tape it made no difference to the pick up.

Buzz · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2018, 11:03:13 AM »

A counter balance shouldn't work because if you pick a bat up properly the pivot point is off the end of the handle.

If you think the pick up is improved, it is in your head and your mind playing tricks on you.

Kulli · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2018, 11:17:12 AM »

Quote from: Buzz on February 19, 2018, 11:03:13 AM

A counter balance should work because if you pick a bat up properly the pivot point is off the end of the handle.

If you think the pick up is improved, it is in your head and your mind playing tricks on you.

I'm guessing that first sentence should be shouldn't?

If so then I would be inclined to agree. I don't see how adding more weight to one side of the pivot can do anything but make it harder to pick up. I guess it could affect the position of the middle etc, but that's beyond my technical knowledge.

Jlscarroll17 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2018, 11:22:19 AM »

I'm the same as kulli I place a good roll of tape on the end of my handle for comfort because that's what I've always had as my set up, I agree it will add a little bit of weight to the handle but I wouldn't really notice the difference pick up wise

Buzz · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2018, 11:53:50 AM »

Dan, fine, but the pivot point isn't your top hand. When you pick the bat up you push it back effectively from your shoulders. It isn't until you cock yours wrists that the pivot point moves.

Prior to that it is off the end of the handle.

Rob580 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2018, 11:54:50 AM »

I used to do this all the time to my bats, 4 or 5 grip rings at the top of my handle, then tape over the top. I was absolutely convinced it made a difference until about 6 months ago when I just took them off one day to see how it was. Felt a bit weird not having them on there for about a dozen balls, then forgot all about it and have never put them back on.

I'm 99% sure it's a placebo effect, but I'm pretty sure 99% of cricket is just trying to convince yourself that something is working....

Kulli · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2018, 11:55:57 AM »

Interesting @DorsetDan, but I would argue that the correct pivot is somewhere we�ll past the end of the bat, it is also arguable the elbow.

edge · « **Reply #11 on:** February 19, 2018, 12:30:35 PM »

Depends completely on individual technique whether it will help pickup feel I'd say, some do cock the bat up and down around their wrists, some don't. Biggest problem is that if you're adding noticable weight to your bat then regardless of how it helps you feel with pickup you still have to swing that weight when you play a shot. Best pickup in the world doesn't help if your swing is screwed up by the extra weight and you can't time the ball.

Re. pros - they're not all special cricket scientists calculating the optimum bat balance, mostly they're just better at cricket than you! However, the only public comment I've ever seen from one about counterbalance is McCullum saying his isn't a counterbalance, he just wants something to but his hand up against when swinging hard.

The Doctor · « **Reply #12 on:** February 19, 2018, 12:43:22 PM »

Quote from: Kulli on February 19, 2018, 10:12:37 AM

I would be interested to heard from someone with some technical knowledge in the area about how much weight would have an effect, and what that effect would be.

From experiments that I have been involved in the past and modelling the counter balance, the weight would have to approx 1 foot away from the pivot point to have any effect on reducing the pick up of the bat, and therefore you can add as much lead tape as you wish to the end of the handle but you will never reduce the pick up weight (MOI). That said adding weights / extra grips will increase the difference between scale weight and pick up weight.

Therefore the only logical reason would be for hand location.

Streaky

Kulli · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2018, 12:52:07 PM »

Quote from: The Doctor on February 19, 2018, 12:43:22 PM

From experiments that I have been involved in the past and modelling the counter balance, the weight would have to approx 1 foot away from the pivot point to have any effect on reducing the pick up of the bat, and therefore you can add as much lead tape as you wish to the end of the handle but you will never reduce the pick up weight (MOI). That said adding weights / extra grips will increase the difference between scale weight and pick up weight.

Therefore the only logical reason would be for hand location.

Streaky

Interesting, thanks for the reply.

Next question, have you come up with a way to measure the difference between scale weight and pick up, I'm sick of reading for sale posts where a 3lbs 15oz bat picks up like 2'7.

sarg · « **Reply #14 on:** February 19, 2018, 12:56:07 PM »

Great topic. Keep it going.

I have tried it and it really only is helpful with light bats where it seems to balance the pickup feel slightly. i do cock the wrists on pickup, . I only do it now to get my bats to the my personal goldilocks dead weight for me is (which is 2.8 3/4). It is all in the head for me but I just like bats 2.8-2.9. Too much weight and I lose my shape as i get tired, which incidentally is about the 3rd over these days.

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