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Re: Weight v Feel
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2018, 05:04:11 AM »
Exact opposite view of most people here. To me deadweight is significantly more important than pick up. If you bat with a heavier bat that feels right, you’ll find yourself constantly chopping on, top edging pulls and getting into all sorts of problems on horizontal bat shots where you feel rushed.

If you play against any sort of decent pace, select a deadweight and don’t move more than an ounce either way. Within that range then, yes, pick up matter a lot.
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Re: Weight v Feel
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2018, 07:45:31 AM »
Has to be a balance of both for me - a beautiful feeling bat that's too light or too heavy is no use, and a bat that feels wrong in the hands isn't going to start feeling right because it's the perfect weight. No point getting hung up on exact dead weight like many do though, an ounce here or there doesn't hurt.

That said, I'd far rather have a stick that's exactly the weight I like but picks up poorly than one that's the wrong weight but feels good in the hands. I've batted with some lovely bats that were several ounces outside my usual weight range and couldn't time a shot to save my life, but on the other hand I've gone out with one bang on my weight that picked up like a dog and smashed it everywhere. Even though it felt rubbish to pick up, my swing stayed the same as usual so I still timed the ball. (disclaimer: did help that it was a gun)

Always room for a bit of variation on weight, but at the end of the day if you normally use 2lb8 and you find a 2lb12 bat that picks up the same then the wood's not going to be where you need it. And never discount the fact that you might just be completely wrong about what kind of bat suits you best!
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Re: Weight v Feel
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2018, 08:08:26 AM »
For me, the main issue is how long one intends to bat for. Of course, buy bats that 'feel' nice - in the hands and with gloves on. But, if you are playing club cricket and batting at 5 or below, my opinion is that one should buy greater dead weight, for maximum shot value over a shorter period of time. If you bat higher and plan to stick around for 30+ overs, you should buy lighter bats, so as to carry less around. A 2lb 12 oz bat is approximately 10% heavier than a 2lb 8oz bat. This extra burden will start to slow you down over time.
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Re: Weight v Feel
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2018, 08:15:51 AM »
I don't think people put enough emphasis on their on game. By that I mean - think what are your best shots? what type of batsman are you? what bowling do you face? what pitches do you play on mostly? Etc...

I am an opening bat so face quicker bowling and am definitely a prominently back foot player, my best shots are easily the hook, pull and cut. So this leads to a mid-high middle very light bat with a light pick up etc...

If you are a front dogger who needs a low middle and plays on slow tracks than a 2.7/8 bat probably isnt the best option.

I see so many players at my club with simply the wrong type of bat.
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Re: Weight v Feel
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2018, 09:14:10 AM »
One percent of  moisture equals one ounce of weight so  you can't make make a light bat out of an heavy cleft
« Last Edit: March 05, 2018, 09:28:17 AM by Seniorplayer »
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Re: Weight v Feel
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2018, 09:40:19 AM »
When I first started playing I had no idea about weight, pickup, depth rations etc. I just needed a bat that I felt comfortable with, so I went to my local cricket shop All Rounder and picked up a few, spoke to the staff and eventually settled on one that I felt I could bring down quick enough, but still had some weight behind it. Turns out I favour a heavier bat at around 2'10/2'11.
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Re: Weight v Feel
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2018, 10:31:33 AM »
Quote from: Seniorplayer on March 05, 2018, 09:14:10 AM
One percent of  moisture equals one ounce of weight so  you can't make make a light bat out of an heavy cleft

Please explain the calculation of this!!!
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Re: Weight v Feel
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2018, 02:24:06 PM »
Obviously, you can't take a 3 lb 2 oz bat to the middle simply because it felt great in the shop when you swung it around 5 times. A long inning would wear your arms/hands down if the bat is too heavy for you.

Having said that, the swell position will change the swing weight which will affect the timing. Knowledge of what works for your game is critical and also will take the guess work out.

I have one match bats with rolled up counter weight grip, duck bill toe, thick edges and high spine. It weight 2-11.0 and picks up a lot lighter. It is good enough for long innings, sixes, you name it. It is a perfect match bat. Without the knowledge of its swing weight, willow density, and other factors, there is no way I can replicate this bat. Ever.
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Re: Weight v Feel
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2018, 05:29:43 PM »
Quote from: Woodyspin on March 05, 2018, 10:31:33 AM
Please explain the calculation of this!!!

1mm all over a bat extra equals 1 ounce normally.
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Re: Weight v Feel
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2018, 06:34:27 PM »
Quote from: procricket on March 05, 2018, 05:29:43 PM
1mm all over a bat extra equals 1 ounce normally.
1mm are you sure 🤔
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Re: Weight v Feel
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2018, 06:46:14 PM »
Quote from: Vulcan Cricket on March 05, 2018, 06:34:27 PM
1mm are you sure 🤔

roughly yes on a average weighted cleft.
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Re: Weight v Feel
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2018, 06:48:36 PM »
I've always been confused about why "pick up" i.e the bat going from low to high and how it feels is what people choose a bat on. I don't want a bat that picks up well... I want a bat that "drops" down well. if I hold the bat vertical in my stance as the bowler is releasing the ball surely my ability to get the bat moving into position at the right speed is important.... hence dead weight becomes an important factor.  I might have a 2'12 bat that picks up like a dream but if I'm not strong enough to get it moving quickly why does pick up improve this?

I can then see variations come into play... This winter I have had 5/6 bats come through my hands all between 2'8 and 2'10 and one thing I have learn't is that irrespective of pick up... I am more consistent with a bat closer to 2'8 than 2'10 however bats of the same weight don't all play the same... I have picked up a glorious GM from a forum member... one of the best bats I have had in my hands for ping and pick up... right weight... wrong handle... just could not time anything with it.... a semi pro at the net place I go used it... desperate to buy it off me after 6 balls....

I love the look of a low swell duck bill type bat... one of the best bats I have is like that... and I love it.... but I know in my heart of hearts if I want to try and build an innings I need a more traditional shape, a neutral pick up at a weight of 2'8/9..... when I'm going in for a bash to see what comes off I take the other profile.. I know when I hit it that it will stay hit but I also know I can play better cricket with the other bat.

At the end of the day its all about confidence and one thing I have learnt that gives me confidence is a bat that has a dead weight of 2'8/9.

if pick up gives you confidence... then thats fine by me.


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Re: Weight v Feel
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2018, 06:49:05 PM »
Quote from: brokenbat on March 05, 2018, 02:25:27 AM
All about middle position. 2lb 10 for high middle bats feel the same to me as 2lb 8 oz low middle (full profile) bats.

But wouldn't one still be heavier? As it is 2 lb 10?
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Re: Weight v Feel
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2018, 06:49:33 PM »
I don’t think your right but not getting in a key board battle Iam sure Ryan did a post years ago
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Re: Weight v Feel
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2018, 06:52:04 PM »
Quote from: Vulcan Cricket on March 05, 2018, 06:49:33 PM
I don’t think your right but not getting in a key board battle Iam sure Ryan did a post years ago

Streaky did some comaprsions and that's what it worked out on some shapes. Always shape dependant it equates. to .10 of density in his workings.

I had a bat reworked once and had 5mm of the edge and spine and all over it worked at around 5 ounce.

Not worries Deano all good here, no Keyboard warrior here pal.

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