Topic: England test tour to New Zealand (Read 62631 times)

edge · « **Reply #225 on:** March 24, 2018, 10:14:18 AM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on March 24, 2018, 10:06:06 AM

@edge I�m not saying straight away but it�s an option he did a good job keeping and opening for lancs last season, if he had another good year in the cc he had to be looked at!

If that�s a role he�s succeeding with back him and let him continue that will free bairstow up to bat at 3/4/5 rather than 7

Which means we can bring in another batter/bowler

I've not seen the lad play, but I'd be willing to bet quite a lot of money he's less good than either Alec Stewart or Kumar Sangakarra! If those two couldn't make top order batting while keeping work then it's not too reasonable to expect anyone else to.

@procricket yep hard to tell with Markram early in career but SA look to have the best pair by some distance. At what point do the England selectors give up and just try and find someone who'll see the shine off and average low 30s? That said, just both openers making it through the first 10 overs seems a long way away these days!

six and out · « **Reply #226 on:** March 24, 2018, 10:31:31 AM »

The 1st thing the England selectors and Root need to do is decide what structure the side is going to take. For years now we have played a part time spinner/allrounder to hold an end up while the seamers rotate.

Stokes serves as an extra seamer and Bairstow wants the gloves and currently is batting 7, so if that carries on we are a side of Allrounders with no specialists etc..

Or do they want to play a specialist spinner and specialist keeper (and Bairstow bats higher), suddenly the shape of the side and the cricket we play changes completely.

procricket · « **Reply #227 on:** March 24, 2018, 10:34:23 AM »

Quote from: six and out on March 24, 2018, 10:31:31 AM

The 1st thing the England selectors and Root need to do is decide what structure the side is going to take. For years now we have played a part time spinner/allrounder to hold an end up while the seamers rotate.

Stokes serves as an extra seamer and Bairstow wants the gloves and currently is batting 7, so if that carries on we are a side of Allrounders with no specialists etc..

Or do they want to play a specialist spinner and specialist keeper (and Bairstow bats higher), suddenly the shape of the side and the cricket we play changes completely.

very good point

for me there not 5 better batsman than Bairstow so tough luck he bats at 5 or 4. Stokes at 6 get Foakes in at 7.

Our issue is we know we do not have a good enough side because thats why why go with the bits and peices players in the longer format.

We need 3 things for sure

A spinner
A opening batsman
And a bowler who is sharp

But then again i guess so do most nations

golders · « **Reply #228 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:03:27 PM »

Moeen Ali surely in last chance saloon in second dig.Missed a floaty full toss in the first innings...

Stoneman
Cook
Root
Malan
Bairstow
Stokes
Livingstone
Woakes
Broad
Leech
Anderson

Overton not good enough as a bowler from what I've seen,we don't need another bits and pieces player

I think Bairstow is a better all round bat than Stokes,and I know Livingstone batting at 7 as a specialist bat is too low,but our batting is ropey as hell right now!
Take the gloves off YJB and he will cry. Ideally Woakes starts scoring tons at 8 and we can slip in a raw wildcard quickee. The problem is they aren't ready to spilt up Broad Anderson and Woakes,but the three of them together is too samey.

csnew · « **Reply #229 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:10:29 PM »

Weather is clear for today and tomorrow

Hopefully bat 40-50 overs and stick England in.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #230 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:20:38 PM »

Quote from: csnew on March 24, 2018, 09:10:29 PM

Weather is clear for today and tomorrow

Hopefully bat 40-50 overs and stick England in.

300 lead Max I say.. England will crumble

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #231 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:21:35 PM »

Quote from: golders on March 24, 2018, 09:03:27 PM

Moeen Ali surely in last chance saloon in second dig.Missed a floaty full toss in the first innings...

Stoneman
Cook
Root
Malan
Bairstow
Stokes
Livingstone
Woakes
Broad
Leech
Anderson

Overton not good enough as a bowler from what I've seen,we don't need another bits and pieces player

I think Bairstow is a better all round bat than Stokes,and I know Livingstone batting at 7 as a specialist bat is too low,but our batting is ropey as hell right now!
Take the gloves off YJB and he will cry. Ideally Woakes starts scoring tons at 8 and we can slip in a raw wildcard quickee. The problem is they aren't ready to spilt up Broad Anderson and Woakes,but the three of them together is too samey.

Specialist number 7..really ??

Why not move stokes down ? He�s an all rounder and isn�t good enough as a pure batsmen (avg 35 remember)

golders · « **Reply #232 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:35:25 PM »

Yep fair enough,I agree with that actually, although apparently Stokes isn't an all-rounder in current test match

ppccopener · « **Reply #233 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:40:13 PM »

Quote from: csnew on March 24, 2018, 09:10:29 PM

Weather is clear for today and tomorrow

Hopefully bat 40-50 overs and stick England in.

Not if we got some sandpaper it won't be.Bairstow, not being the brightest of the group plans to put a workbench behind him for a bit of tooling up between overs.

FattusCattus · « **Reply #234 on:** March 24, 2018, 10:41:25 PM »

I think Gubbins seems to be an up and comer for a top 3 spot.

ppccopener · « **Reply #235 on:** March 25, 2018, 06:58:27 AM »

Stoneman digging in this is what we need come in the lads!!

golders · « **Reply #236 on:** March 25, 2018, 07:21:49 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on March 25, 2018, 06:58:27 AM

Stoneman digging in this is what we need come in the lads!!

Talk about the kiss of death!

Calzehbhoy · « **Reply #237 on:** March 25, 2018, 07:22:07 AM »

Brainless batting once again!

NZ had 2 deep fine legs and a deep square leg all waiting for The mistimed pull/hook.

ppccopener · « **Reply #238 on:** March 25, 2018, 07:26:16 AM »

Oh gawd !!

Well batted...it's just not quite enough really thou, we do need hundreds

At least he battled it out for a while

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #239 on:** March 25, 2018, 07:53:19 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on March 25, 2018, 06:58:27 AM

Stoneman digging in this is what we need come in the lads!!

So again. We talked about this during the ashes. Stoneman kind of does ok for 30-50 ish then for some reason decides to start playing all mannor or aggressive shots and gets out. It�s simpky brain dead batting.

Test batting isn�t All about skill but is about the mental side.. this game again means runs were meaningless. He didn�t need to play an attacking shot as England can�t win the game.. he was purely playing for the draw as NZ have batted us out the game.. it�s just stupid

Positive Cricket
Brand of Cricket
Counter attack

All that load of utter garbage this modern set of players come out with

Oh and cook looks done again in all bar his 200 odd in the ashes

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