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Re: Serbian Willow
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2020, 03:51:11 AM »

Wow...is all that serbian willow from that instagram account?

Yes it is
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Re: Serbian Willow
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2020, 09:33:29 AM »

damn!

its impossible to distinguish then judging by that insta page!
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Re: Serbian Willow
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2020, 09:40:06 AM »

damn!

its impossible to distinguish then judging by that insta page!

Quite easy to distinguish. Buy your bats from a reputable bat maker direct, or a reputable retailer who will guarantee that if you want a bat made from UK grown English Willow, then that is what you'll get 😁
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Re: Serbian Willow
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2020, 09:42:57 AM »

Quite easy to distinguish. Buy your bats from a reputable bat maker direct, or a reputable retailer who will guarantee that if you want a bat made from UK grown English Willow, then that is what you'll get 😁

Where could we find one of these "reputable bat makers" @jonny77  ;)
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Re: Serbian Willow
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2020, 09:59:08 AM »

yes but it seems like anyone using is not owning up to using it

and the average joe, wont be able to tell the difference

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Re: Serbian Willow
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2020, 09:59:54 AM »

Salix Alba grown in Serbia (or somewhere along central Europe) would be different in what manner to grown in England?
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Re: Serbian Willow
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2020, 10:39:09 AM »

Salix Alba grown in Serbia (or somewhere along central Europe) would be different in what manner to grown in England?
Same deal as with Kashmir Willow - it's the same species of tree, but the growing environment changes things.

I'd happy buy a Serbian Willow bat (my match bat is in fact Serbian), but possibly only at a discount compared to EW. The performance of the two Serbian clefts I've used has been top notch, but they are pretty fragile.
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Re: Serbian Willow
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2020, 01:48:20 PM »

yes but it seems like anyone using is not owning up to using it

and the average joe, wont be able to tell the difference

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Any examples? I'd think any reputable bat maker would be clear if they were knowingly using anything other than UK grown willow
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Re: Serbian Willow
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2020, 01:48:34 PM »

When you cross reference the address from the place in serbia and see their export history to pakistan some shocking discoveries can be made. A free account on the website pak.eximtradeinfo.com reveals the 5 most recent exports with names such as Aamir sports, Ihsan, MA sports. If you wanna dig deeper into the rabbit hole and get a paid account you can see more earlier results and then names like CA, HS, CX and AS pop up...
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Re: Serbian Willow
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2020, 01:51:38 PM »

thats good investigative work

and have you checked export history to UK, India? surely not only the Pakistani brands have dabbled in purchasing?  :D
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Re: Serbian Willow
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2020, 02:32:44 PM »

Well the website i came across is only for Pakistan imports. You could dig deeper and try to find their ties with companies frkm other parts of the world.
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Re: Serbian Willow
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2020, 03:11:40 PM »

@Tom had one for India I think, that’s where all the M&H rumourSS began.
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Re: Serbian Willow
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2020, 03:29:50 PM »

Quite easy to distinguish. Buy your bats from a reputable bat maker direct, or a reputable retailer who will guarantee that if you want a bat made from UK grown English Willow, then that is what you'll get 😁

Generally speaking I'd agree, although Kookaburra and GN both had junior (and a handful of senior) bats made from what they called 'alternative willow' and 'European willow' a few years ago. The definition in the catalogues was pretty ambiguous and not as clear cut as the difference between English and Kashmir willow for example. For a retailer who perhaps offers multiple sports and doesn't really check (but is still more than reputable) it would have been an easy mistake to have sold these bats as English willow and a customer would be none the wiser.

I think Kook and GN (and anyone else who was at it) have tightened up on this and made things clearer now.
The issues will lie with brands who get bats made (especially if made overseas) by a third party. I am purely using them as an example and not making any accusations or suggestions at all, but lets say SG decide they are going to buy in a load of Serbian willow and replace the lower end of the English willow range without telling anyone, Kookaburra will end up with a load of Serbian bats that they don't know are Serbian.

Knowing how certain parts of the industry work, this isn't beyond the realms of possibility at all. So yes, you could walk into a reputable retailer, ask for a bat from a reputable brand, the retailer and the catalogue both say it is English willow, the brand has sold it at an English willow price to the retailer, and purchased it themselves at an English willow price from the manufacturer. Only the manufacturer knows what it is.
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Re: Serbian Willow
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2020, 03:34:13 PM »

Generally speaking I'd agree, although Kookaburra and GN both had junior (and a handful of senior) bats made from what they called 'alternative willow' and 'European willow' a few years ago. The definition in the catalogues was pretty ambiguous and not as clear cut as the difference between English and Kashmir willow for example. For a retailer who perhaps offers multiple sports and doesn't really check (but is still more than reputable) it would have been an easy mistake to have sold these bats as English willow and a customer would be none the wiser.

I think Kook and GN (and anyone else who was at it) have tightened up on this and made things clearer now.
The issues will lie with brands who get bats made (especially if made overseas) by a third party. I am purely using them as an example and not making any accusations or suggestions at all, but lets say SG decide they are going to buy in a load of Serbian willow and replace the lower end of the English willow range without telling anyone, Kookaburra will end up with a load of Serbian bats that they don't know are Serbian.

Knowing how certain parts of the industry work, this isn't beyond the realms of possibility at all. So yes, you could walk into a reputable retailer, ask for a bat from a reputable brand, the retailer and the catalogue both say it is English willow, the brand has sold it at an English willow price to the retailer, and purchased it themselves at an English willow price from the manufacturer. Only the manufacturer knows what it is.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Why its so important to support your local batmakers and smaller companies that are transparent
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Re: Serbian Willow
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2020, 03:57:04 PM »

so in conclusion, anyone could be using it. some knowingly some perhaps unknowingly  :( :o
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