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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #255 on: May 26, 2018, 04:54:07 PM »

100 partnership for Buttler and Bess
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #256 on: May 26, 2018, 05:02:44 PM »

Buttler and Bess are both playing their first red ball matches of the English summer as far as I can tell.
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #257 on: May 26, 2018, 05:34:51 PM »

Some mighty fine cricket by untapped English talent!
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #258 on: May 26, 2018, 09:08:49 PM »

Buttler and Bess are both playing their first red ball matches of the English summer as far as I can tell.

No, Bess has played a couple. Has only taken 1 wicket.
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #259 on: May 26, 2018, 11:35:02 PM »

Why can young Joe not convert fifties to centuries anymore? You see Kohli and Smith get hundred after hundred yet young Joe get half way and gets out...

And to top it off probably the worst Captain in test cricket at the moment
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #260 on: May 27, 2018, 07:19:04 AM »

Pressure of captaincy getting to root. Making wrong decisions at the toss, then sticking himself under the lid and unable to convert scores

Not in the same class bracket as Kohli and smith
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #261 on: May 27, 2018, 08:00:55 AM »

Pressure of captaincy getting to root. Making wrong decisions at the toss, then sticking himself under the lid and unable to convert scores

Not in the same class bracket as Kohli and smith

That's it for me. Getting the captaincy effects your game massively and it can only go in 1 of 2 directions. In Kohli and Smiths cases they have thrived and their game went up, unfortunately for us and Joe he has gone in the other direction.
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #262 on: May 27, 2018, 08:11:41 AM »

No, Bess has played a couple. Has only taken 1 wicket.

And scored 90 against Essex
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #263 on: May 27, 2018, 08:22:45 AM »

Root gets a lot of stick for his conversion ratio. And rightly so. If it was higher he’d be one of the greats. And as we know big scoresnwin matches.
But the fact he still averages 52 in tests with that poor conversion ratio, shows he’s still regular scoring runs for England and rarely fails.

Williamson averages 50 with a better conversion ratio. Which means he has had a lot more low score innings than root.

Kohli only has an average of one more than root, yet a supreme conversion ratio. So again he has a lot more low scores(probably all in England.


Let’s look at there scores of 50 plus.

Root 53 in 125 innings
Kohli 37 in 112 innings
Williamson 44 in 116 innings.

Kohli can get 50plus in everyone of his innings and still not match root.
Williamson can match root if he scores 50 plus in every innings.

Does that all mean anything? Well yeah, it means roots stillperofrming even if he doesn’t go big, and he will still be First on England’s team sheet every game.


If only we could find one or two more batsman with the record root has.
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #264 on: May 27, 2018, 08:39:51 AM »

I think we need a surgical knife to move forward, it probably won't happen but Root is not a captain. The way he was handed it as some sort of inheritance was ECB all over. Wrong man at the wrong time and it's not going to work.

Not all player thrive under the captaincy as has been pointed out.

I like the comparisons with kholi and Williamson and smith. To me Root is the best batsman I've seen in England colours since Pieterson and Gooch for sheer ability.

The first thing we need whatever happens in this current match is how do we get the best out of the 11 and then sort out who skippers it.

I don't mind playing Butler at all, he should of been in years ago, but if he plays surely he keeps? As edge pointed out specialist number 7 is an odd position.....

Bairstow as a specialist , butler keeps and we do now need another opener, I like Stoneman but he is out of form early season and it's better to pull him out of the firing line, if he gets dropped it will be hard to come back so a Young guy probably-Jennings who England want back, Gubbins of Middlesex has a case too.

That what I think !  :)
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #265 on: May 27, 2018, 08:47:49 AM »

As far as I'm aware Root's 53 fifty+ scores in 125 innings is the second best after Bradman. And it's all good and well saying Root gets loads of fifties, but in an underperforming side, the best player has to be getting hundreds. Getting to fifty means Root don't all the work yet can't find the mental capacity to kick on
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #266 on: May 27, 2018, 09:48:29 AM »

Okay so whats the minimum lead  England need to win  on that track with Pakistan a batter down 200 and it's game on
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #267 on: May 27, 2018, 09:55:03 AM »

175 and England have a chance - I can see a few Pak brain fades once the pressures on

Don’t see England surviving too long though - new ball due in 2 overs
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #268 on: May 27, 2018, 09:59:34 AM »

Root , most agree , isnt well suited to the captaincy. .....but who else is a standout candidate ? No one other than Stokes and Bairstow for me , although both need/deserve more time to just concentrate on their games . Perhaps it wouldn't be the worst idea to give Jimmy the captaincy for a year or two (basically , untill he retires) in caretaker type role until someone else is ready ?
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Re: England Test Series vs Pakistan
« Reply #269 on: May 27, 2018, 10:08:06 AM »

Bugger....i was hoping to see Buttler and Bess both make hundreds . I think eng need a lead of at least 250 , ideally 300 , because the pitch looks pretty flat/good.
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