Topic: England Test Series vs Pakistan (Read 60509 times)

InternalTraining · « **Reply #225 on:** May 25, 2018, 03:32:08 PM »

England would fare so much better under a Stokes captaincy.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #226 on:** May 25, 2018, 03:32:55 PM »

Nasty blow to Babers wrist probably requires an X-ray also a lesson on why you shouldn't take our eyes off the ball

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #227 on:** May 25, 2018, 03:37:02 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on May 25, 2018, 03:03:44 PM

forget about the players, the fact is we have no-one better coming through, this has been the case for the past few years,

I heard the interview with Andy flower about playing championship cricket at certain time of the year he is correct - however again that is what we have.

one thing is hardly mentioned and I'm really starting to think it isn't actually the players we have (i like the side out at the minute) but its the coaching staff, Trevor Bayliss is a wonderful one day cricket coach, we have gone backward (pre Andy flower backwards) since he took over, yes the one day/T20 has improved but the test just hasn't

Mr. Bayliss its time to go!

who should replace him i dont know but (yes im a notts fan) but i really think Mick Newell would do a good job either that or Alec Stewart

It�s got f all to do with the coaches once they get into the international set up. By that point a players technique and crucially, mindset is already grooved and ingrained.

Simple truth is when you play too much limited overs stuff you will develop a technique and/or mentality for that.. only a rare few can play white ball and red ball now (given white ball now is so far removed from what it was years ago, past players are not a guide).

Root is a fine payer but has a problem vs the moving ball and nicking off.. why? Can only be because he can�t resist playing shots which is a result of white ball mentality. Buttler, white ball technique and mentality.. again, can�t resist a shot and can�t resist the moving ball.

You can go on will literally every player in the England side other than Cook who is the only one who is prepared to play red ball.

It is what is is though, you can�t ask a player once they are at that stage of their career to suddenly change., just like in amateur cricket someone who just hits out can�t usually dig in .. they simply struggle to be able to control themselves.. (same goes for when they ask someone like hameed to �expand his game�..yep, screws him up)

csnew · « **Reply #228 on:** May 25, 2018, 03:59:01 PM »

Rather embarrassing bowling performance from England so far, gloomy humid conditions throughout pakistan�s Batting and they�ve not knocked them over yet.
Credit to pakistan�s Batsmen, they�ve left well and been patient. A lead of 150-160 would be handy

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #229 on:** May 25, 2018, 04:56:07 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on May 25, 2018, 03:37:02 PM

It�s got f all to do with the coaches once they get into the international set up. By that point a players technique and crucially, mindset is already grooved and ingrained.

Simple truth is when you play too much limited overs stuff you will develop a technique and/or mentality for that.. only a rare few can play white ball and red ball now (given white ball now is so far removed from what it was years ago, past players are not a guide).

Root is a fine payer but has a problem vs the moving ball and nicking off.. why? Can only be because he can�t resist playing shots which is a result of white ball mentality. Buttler, white ball technique and mentality.. again, can�t resist a shot and can�t resist the moving ball.

You can go on will literally every player in the England side other than Cook who is the only one who is prepared to play red ball.

It is what is is though, you can�t ask a player once they are at that stage of their career to suddenly change., just like in amateur cricket someone who just hits out can�t usually dig in .. they simply struggle to be able to control themselves.. (same goes for when they ask someone like hameed to �expand his game�..yep, screws him up)

I would disagree, the coaches will come up with game plans set out how they want to go about things, they also work on players games! If they�re not making the changes needed or they don�t think changes need to happen they�re not doing their job! Their. It payed to say how good everyone is all the time

ppccopener · « **Reply #230 on:** May 25, 2018, 05:08:58 PM »

Bayliss was brought in for his one day record, to win us a major trophy in limited overs cricket.

We have improved massively in 2-3 years in that form of the game,in tests it looks to me like we have gone, and are going, backwards.....

Def agree we others on here the quality of players is just short for the longer form of the game.

In the last couple of years we have tried quite a lot of players, especially top order batsmen.

It hurts not to see England don't well, or not improving, but the money is in limited overs,do those at the top really care about test matches?

It's a good job we got Stokes, another wicket for him, Cook,Root, Bairstow and Anderson.

But really.....half a team at t that great

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #231 on:** May 25, 2018, 08:24:54 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on May 25, 2018, 04:56:07 PM

I would disagree, the coaches will come up with game plans set out how they want to go about things, they also work on players games! If they�re not making the changes needed or they don�t think changes need to happen they�re not doing their job! Their. It payed to say how good everyone is all the time

Game plans are easy.. �hey Jos, take your time mate.. wait for the bad ball.. bt time.. �

Jos
� oh wide full ish ball I�ll go at that�

Oppos

Sadly, players need the ability to think for themselves and be disciplined.. which, as we see time and time again, this group isn�t capable of. Hence why, there isn�t a coach around who can turn these players in to test players.

It is what it is. Time to accept it

Mfarank · « **Reply #232 on:** May 26, 2018, 12:53:32 AM »

Last year i had the pleasure of training with Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq when they were practicing for the test series against SL. The guys had a big marble slab put in the middle of the pitch and had grant flower and us throw balls at the slab using the side arm and all they did for 2 hours was defend what was on their body/stumps and leave/duck anything that wasnt.

six and out · « **Reply #233 on:** May 26, 2018, 06:09:50 AM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on May 25, 2018, 08:24:54 PM

Game plans are easy.. �hey Jos, take your time mate.. wait for the bad ball.. bt time.. �

Jos
� oh wide full ish ball I�ll go at that�

Oppos

Sadly, players need the ability to think for themselves and be disciplined.. which, as we see time and time again, this group isn�t capable of. Hence why, there isn�t a coach around who can turn these players in to test players.

It is what it is. Time to accept it

I think it is a % of both player mentality and coaching. With perhaps 85% laying with the player.

What I can't get away from when we talk about how they are now playing all this white ball cricket and it effects their test match batting loads etc... look at the Pakistan side they are in the same boat... 6/7 of their team played in the Champions Trophy win last year and they all play in the PSL. Babar Azam is ranked no1 batter in T20 and look at the innings he played yesterday!

You can do both you just need to apply yourself!

csnew · « **Reply #234 on:** May 26, 2018, 07:51:43 AM »

Azam out of the tour with a fractured wrist

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #235 on:** May 26, 2018, 09:06:10 AM »

Yesterday England bowled better without luck on another day balls would have hit the edge of the bat that said England failed to take the catches offered

csnew · « **Reply #236 on:** May 26, 2018, 09:14:25 AM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on May 26, 2018, 09:06:10 AM

Yesterday England bowled better without luck on another day balls would have hit the edge of the bat that said England failed to take the catches offered

I�ve heard that excuse quite a bit - heard it in the ashes too. England passed the bat without any luck

six and out · « **Reply #237 on:** May 26, 2018, 10:05:31 AM »

Root is under the lid again like yesterday!

Can someone please explain to me why the captain is under the lid??

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #238 on:** May 26, 2018, 10:38:44 AM »

Pakistan ended up with a 179 run lead.

Cook gone for 1, 1-1. Abbas gets him

rickjames · « **Reply #239 on:** May 26, 2018, 10:40:26 AM »

I hate this team.

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