Topic: England Vs India Test Matches (Read 162017 times)

ppccopener · « **Reply #105 on:** July 26, 2018, 11:58:08 AM »

Vaughan has piled in now

it's kicking off in Yorkshire.

t always does thou, are they historically the most combustable County?

rickjames · « **Reply #106 on:** July 26, 2018, 11:58:26 AM »

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�Jack Leach has had an exceptional run of bad luck which now leaves him short of bowling at the start of the series against India. Having broken his thumb before the first Test against Pakistan, Jack then suffered concussion on his return to county cricket. As a result, Jack has bowled only 37 overs in county or Lions cricket since first being injured. The selection panel felt it was too early for Jack to play in a Test match.

�Dom made an outstanding all-round contribution in his debut series against Pakistan and impressed everyone with his character and competitiveness. For different reasons, unfortunately Dom has also found opportunities scarce in championship cricket.�

But Rashid gets a game. I don't get it.

Johnny · « **Reply #107 on:** July 26, 2018, 12:19:16 PM »

Surely the scheduling of the County Championship fixtures plays a part here. If the ECB want players coming into a test series to have red ball form, then red ball county fixtures need to be happening right the way through the summer

SLA · « **Reply #108 on:** July 26, 2018, 12:26:25 PM »

Clearly Rashid and Ali troubled the Indian batsmen in the ODI's probably more than anyone anticipated they would, and the selectors thought, why change something that seems to be working.

FWIW, India have a lot of right-handers, so selecting two off-spinners would be a brainless decision. So it was either going to be Leach or Rashid (or some other SLA or leggie), and I guess their gut instincts told them that Rashid might be the better bet. Whether they're right, who knows.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #109 on:** July 26, 2018, 01:29:27 PM »

Clearly the England selectors want Rashid in preference to Leach or Bess lets hope he has a good match because failure could mean he won't bother with red ball cricket contract and picking him was waste of time.

Bulldog Cricket · « **Reply #110 on:** July 26, 2018, 01:53:00 PM »

Bess can�t get in Somerset�s 4 day side and has been playing in the seconds.

Manormanic · « **Reply #111 on:** July 26, 2018, 02:20:19 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on July 26, 2018, 11:58:08 AM

t always does thou, are they historically the most combustable County?

Somerset circa 1985 rivalled us, but otherwise, nah, we've got this one.

Its an odd squad, isn't it? Rashid might or might not be the right man for the job - his proclamations at the start of the season that he couldn't get up for long form cricket and refusal to do the necessary by playing the Roses match means that his selection has become a really dangerous and divisive one for the British game. In truth, the person it reflects worst on is Rashid himself - you can understand the selectors wanting all their options available, and you can understand Yorkshire's disillusionment with the situation. What is hard to fathom is why Rashid wouldn't go to the inconvenience of playing a single game to avoid this...

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #112 on:** July 26, 2018, 03:29:01 PM »

Rashid could have turned the call down... if he was that disillusioned with red ball cricket he would have done, he just doesn�t want the #countygrind

Big Mac · « **Reply #113 on:** July 26, 2018, 04:52:36 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on July 26, 2018, 03:29:01 PM

Rashid could have turned the call down... if he was that disillusioned with red ball cricket he would have done, he just doesn�t want the #countygrind

Yeah the problem seems to be between Rashid and Yorkshire rather than Rashid and red ball cricket.

golders · « **Reply #114 on:** July 26, 2018, 06:21:52 PM »

I think it�s a brave call and could turn out to be a great pick-anyone who whines about it would never back a leg spinner in their own side and should keep it shut!

SD · « **Reply #115 on:** July 26, 2018, 09:23:41 PM »

I can't see that Bess or Leach can have any complaints. Leach has been terribly unlucky to pick up two injuries having made his test debut over the winter but has played little competitive since and the international arena is not the place to regain form after injury. Bess was very fortunate to have played test cricket at this stage given his lack of experience and that he isn't a regular for his county. I am not sure that anyone could argue for his inclusion given that he is playing 2nd XI cricket

SD · « **Reply #116 on:** July 26, 2018, 09:28:14 PM »

Bess and Rashid do raised the question though as to whether someone should move sides time enhance their international prospects. In Bess' case, he isn't the first choice spinner for his county and it would be difficult to push for international inclusion if he isn't an automatic selection at first class level. In Rashid's case he played half his games at a ground where Shane Warne averaged 59 with the ball and where medium pace seamers on green pitches will bowl you to titles.

Neon Cricket · « **Reply #117 on:** July 27, 2018, 08:19:18 AM »

Quote from: golders on July 26, 2018, 06:21:52 PM

I think it�s a brave call and could turn out to be a great pick-anyone who whines about it would never back a leg spinner in their own side and should keep it shut!

Nah that's rubbish, it's not about his ability. His performances in the ODIs arguably deserve the call up and I don't despite that.

It's the fact he categorically came out and said how he wasn't interested in playing 4 day/test cricket. Makes a total mockery of the whole county system.

ppccopener · « **Reply #118 on:** July 27, 2018, 08:43:08 AM »

on the plus side whatever the rights and wrongs Rashid has given Vaughan a right hammering in the press which is good for a lot of us who are getting fed up with MV and his views

personally I think Smith is entitled to get availability for anyone qualified to play.

I don't however think Rashid will tour this winter and this whole thing will be short lived

looks like from his comments he is on his way out of Yorkshire too, which may suit both parties by the sounds of it, quite how valuable his is to another County if he doesn't play championship cricket is a mute point.

Rob580 · « **Reply #119 on:** July 27, 2018, 08:49:22 AM »

If that ball he bowled at Kohli had just missed off stump, he wouldn't have been picked.

Ridiculous.

He can get away with the lack of consistency in ODI's because the field is spread. Long Hop? There's a fielder there. Full Toss? There's a fielder there. I reckon he'll bowl about 20 overs in the first test and get 2-100.

On an unrelated note, I'm going to give Gareth Southgate a call, see if I can get a game. I haven't played football for a few years, but I did score 70 not out at the weekend, and that's the same, right?

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