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Re: New AS Champ
« Reply #120 on: December 15, 2018, 05:04:09 AM »

This is somewhat tricky.

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Why overcomplicate this process? Just keep it simple: 1.) cost in local currency; 2.) converted cost in USD and conversion rate (for the record); 3. quality of ping; 4. clean basic build - we can agree on a baseline standard/metric (handle quality - for example 10 piece cane blah blah, weight, lack of filler/bleach, english willow , etc.).

This way we can compare apples to apples. 
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Re: New AS Champ
« Reply #121 on: December 15, 2018, 05:12:58 AM »

The final price though would need to include shipping costs, import duties, vat/tax/gst, communication to sellers costs, tt/mg/pp/wu fees etc etc

If my friend's in-laws' cousin brings me an English made bat when he returns from his England trip, why would I price the shipping cost, import duties etc.?

For an apples to apples comparison, we need to start with basic price in local currency. We can clever about this and agree on some form of a standard.

We'd do ourselves and bat buyers a huge service by formulating a method for picking optimal bats.
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Re: New AS Champ
« Reply #122 on: December 15, 2018, 07:19:31 AM »

Maybe your friend's in-laws' cousin gets stopped by customs and has to pay duty/tax/get/vat etc etc

What is then the cost of the cheapest bat?
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Re: New AS Champ
« Reply #123 on: December 15, 2018, 08:08:07 AM »

May be there is a drill hole, like a empty tunnel behind it, where they pulled out lots of fibers from the timber to make it light, and to cover the mark and put some naswaar color paint on top of gypsum coating?

Too much manufacturing effort for so little sale price no?  :D
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Re: New AS Champ
« Reply #124 on: December 15, 2018, 03:24:45 PM »

Maybe your friend's in-laws' cousin gets stopped by customs and has to pay duty/tax/get/vat etc etc

What is then the cost of the cheapest bat?

The starting point of the apples-to-apples comparison should be the base price + a few other elements.

I import 99% of the bats. I paid duty only once when a numb nut put the full value of the bat on the customs form. Those additional surcharges have no relevance to my bat buying experience/process.
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Re: New AS Champ
« Reply #125 on: December 15, 2018, 04:16:39 PM »

Who cares about grains! If the bat pings and the weight is right for you, then that is all that should matter.

We should have a CBF wide drive to encourage and procure cheapest but pingiest bats. Time to do away with the day-light robbery that is the bat grading system (grains my behind!).
Yet again, I'll bite... the current system is in favour of the savvy consumer, not against. Imagine all bats are somehow assessed accurately for rebound and graded accordingly - the best performing bats will be wildly expensive and if you want one, you've got no alternative but to stump up.
Currently, they're priced on looks. Fools are gladly parted with their money at M&H etc, sensible CBF'ers seek out grade 3 cannons at bargain prices. Everyone has an opportunity to own a great bat, how terrible!
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Re: New AS Champ
« Reply #126 on: December 15, 2018, 04:58:54 PM »

Yet again, I'll bite... the current system is in favour of the savvy consumer, not against.
It takes a huge amount of time (and money) to become a 'savvy consumer'. This is not a car that you can test drive at a dealership.

Lets  think bigger for a change and imagine a world where all bats are standardized so that consumers don't have to spend years becoming a "savvy consumer". In those circumstances, your time would be spent improving your skill and enjoying other things rather than buying, waiting, oiling, knocking a piece of willow. It'd be nice if the sport and its followers joined the 21st. century.

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Imagine all bats are somehow assessed accurately for rebound and graded accordingly - the best performing bats will be wildly expensive and if you want one, you've got no alternative but to stump up.
False premise. There is no shortage of G2/G3/G4 willow. If all of it was pressed correctly and fitted with basic good quality handles (without fillers and junk), we'd have a market full of G2/G3/G4s that will be priced pretty uniformly. I have yet to see a baseball bat that is graded as "ultra-light, low density, G1+++ PLAYER GRADE " bull sh**. Not once. Baseballers focus on their skills, play time, and other good things. Serbian, Kashmir willow would make market even more competitive. The day bats are standardized, price will be become normal (read: cheap and not the bs prices we pay thanks to JS Wright's monopoly)

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Currently, they're priced on looks. Fools are gladly parted with their money at M&H etc, sensible CBF'ers seek out grade 3 cannons at bargain prices. Everyone has an opportunity to own a great bat[/u], how terrible!
Sad thing is that a bat buyer doesn't always end up with a "great bat" because you really don't know what you are getting until you hit balls with that bat. Bat buying process lacks standardization. It is a crap shoot.
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Re: New AS Champ
« Reply #127 on: December 15, 2018, 06:08:11 PM »

So if a G4 willow is pressed correctly, and then a “G1 +++++ Prograde ultra light” BS willow that looks nicer to the eye, is also pressed correctly, and both bats end up being in the exact shape, weight and size then, would there be an ASTRONOMICAL difference in the ping?
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Re: New AS Champ
« Reply #128 on: December 15, 2018, 11:33:16 PM »

The starting point of the apples-to-apples comparison should be the base price + a few other elements.

I import 99% of the bats. I paid duty only once when a numb nut put the full value of the bat on the customs form. Those additional surcharges have no relevance to my bat buying experience/process.

Start with a 100 USD bat.

Including the few other elements, what price would you expect to land this bat legally to your doorstep for IT?


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Re: New AS Champ
« Reply #129 on: December 15, 2018, 11:51:45 PM »

I import 99% of the bats. I paid duty only once when a numb nut put the full value of the bat on the customs form. Those additional surcharges have no relevance to my bat buying experience/process.

To not put the legitimate value of a product on the customs form is an illegal practice, each to their own but I'm quite happy paying the taxes I'm meant to be paying.

Next thing you'll be complaining our public services are under funded...
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Re: New AS Champ
« Reply #130 on: December 16, 2018, 10:41:03 PM »

To not put the legitimate value of a product on the customs form is an illegal practice, each to their own but I'm quite happy paying the taxes I'm meant to be paying.

Next thing you'll be complaining our public services are under funded...

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Re: New AS Champ
« Reply #131 on: December 17, 2018, 10:03:13 AM »

Who cares about grains! If the bat pings and the weight is right for you, then that is all that should matter.

We should have a CBF wide drive to encourage and procure cheapest but pingiest bats. Time to do away with the day-light robbery that is the bat grading system (grains my behind!).

No! We need to encourage as many people as possible to buy bats based on how they look rather than how they play. Its only because so many people pay over-the-odds to get bats with 12 perfectly straight grains that those of us who don't really care about aesthetics are able to get a bargain by getting 2nd/3rd grade bats that ping just as well but for half the price.
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Re: New AS Champ
« Reply #132 on: December 17, 2018, 10:56:30 AM »

No! We need to encourage as many people as possible to buy bats based on how they look rather than how they play. Its only because so many people pay over-the-odds to get bats with 12 perfectly straight grains that those of us who don't really care about aesthetics are able to get a bargain by getting 2nd/3rd grade bats that ping just as well but for half the price.

Don't need the encouragement ;)  :D :D :D :D



In my defence I was offered the bat as it was for an International player and just so happened go look amazing. Nev had a bat with grains so laser straight!

Not played with it yet but just oiling it at the moment..
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Re: New AS Champ
« Reply #133 on: December 17, 2018, 02:14:48 PM »

Don't need the encouragement ;)  :D :D :D :D



In my defence I was offered the bat as it was for an International player and just so happened go look amazing. Nev had a bat with grains so laser straight!

Not played with it yet but just oiling it at the moment..

Looks nice but,
I am not sure which international player plays with an AM bat?
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Re: New AS Champ
« Reply #134 on: December 17, 2018, 03:01:43 PM »

The player does not play with the AM livery... Also players who have played with AM bats as sponsored players include Younis Khan, Misbah, Afridi and Muhammed Wasim... They just don't have the same profile in recent years. If its been good enough source of bats for them it's more than good enough for me. In fact its a beauty!

https://st3.cricketcountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Misbah-ul-Haq.jpg

I am sure the player does source some of his bats from all over the place.

I was offered it plain but I was happy to put AM stickers on as it was them who made it...

Just like the other thread saying Kholi mainly uses SS, but I'm sure he uses a wide variety of bats... I've seen photos of him with blank CA.
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