Topic: Sri Lanka vs England test series (Read 87310 times)

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #420 on:** November 13, 2018, 04:05:33 PM »

i actually think stokes at 3 works (even long term),

he's clearly worked hard on his technique and shown he can dig in and battle it out in the last few games and if he continues then if were 1-1 early thats ok

hes also got that flair and aggression if were 200-1 when he comes in to go form ball one.

give him time but if burns scores runs and stokes does at three we could be looking at our ashes top 4 already

Kulli · « **Reply #421 on:** November 13, 2018, 04:09:15 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on November 13, 2018, 04:05:33 PM

i actually think stokes at 3 works (even long term),

he's clearly worked hard on his technique and shown he can dig in and battle it out in the last few games and if he continues then if were 1-1 early thats ok

hes also got that flair and aggression if were 200-1 when he comes in to go form ball one.

give him time but if burns scores runs and stokes does at three we could be looking at our ashes top 4 already

Tought ask to go in a 1st drop if you've just bowled 20 overs though.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #422 on:** November 13, 2018, 04:13:17 PM »

i agree however its been done before (someone mentioned kallis)

i do think we need a proper number three but theres no reason stokes cant be successful at it, besides if we have a decent set of openers he should get a decent break between batting and bowling.

it can be said now if he bats at 6 hits an unbeaten ton then has to bowl a few overs he wont be as effective with the ball

LateBloomer · « **Reply #423 on:** November 13, 2018, 04:46:32 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on November 13, 2018, 04:05:33 PM

if were 200-1

Some ifs are bigger than others

edge · « **Reply #424 on:** November 13, 2018, 04:47:03 PM »

'Kallis used to do it' is hardly a convincing argument given he's about the only bloke who's ever managed it! Also Kallis mostly didn't bat 3, or bowl as much as Stokes, and usually had the luxury of batting behind an obdurate top 3. The average opening stand for England since Strauss retired is a little over 12 overs.

You could say that, but then you'd be ignoring the fact that Stokes is usually the 4th seamer and so can if necessary have a good rest before he bowls. He's a good batsman, it'll do for now, but can't see it going for much longer.

Manormanic · « **Reply #425 on:** November 13, 2018, 07:15:53 PM »

Quote from: LateBloomer on November 13, 2018, 10:26:30 AM

The way Root explained Bairstows absence read like he's a 9 year old boy whose feelings get hurt if he's left out of the school team.

Actually I thought it was quite sensitively done. Whilst it is probably the correct call, you can sort of see things from Bairstow's point of view - no one seriously doubts he is in our top two batsmen, he has worked incredibly hard on his keeping, and will doubtless be flashing back to three years of playing an ODI, succeeding, then being told that Hales (or whoever) is coming back because he is the man in possession, and wondering where the consistency is. So, it was good not to hear "like it or lump it" or something similar.

Manormanic · « **Reply #426 on:** November 13, 2018, 07:16:43 PM »

Quote from: Kulli on November 13, 2018, 04:09:15 PM

Tought ask to go in a 1st drop if you've just bowled 20 overs though.

It may be - he is primarily an old ball reverse swing fourth seamer, so will do the bulk of his bowling later in the innings.

ppccopener · « **Reply #427 on:** November 13, 2018, 07:25:29 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on November 13, 2018, 07:16:43 PM

It may be - he is primarily an old ball reverse swing fourth seamer, so will do the bulk of his bowling later in the innings.

It's tough on Bairstow but it is the right call. We do have a lot of bowlers in the team, as captain Root wants options, that's understandable away from home so you kind of get that....

Bairstow will be back soon enough, he's def top 6 best in the Country. Hard to know what England will do long term regarding the keeping position, is this a real change now to a specialist or just for this tour?

I think Stokes to 3 myself is a sign of things to come, perhaps he won't be bowling that much in the future and England want him as more of a batsman going forward. He may also have some injury problems or niggles.

Kulli · « **Reply #428 on:** November 13, 2018, 07:33:47 PM »

I think it just suits for now as we're playing the extra bowler to accomodate 3 spinners and being SL he won't bowl much anyway.

Oncve we're back to 4 seamers and a spinner he'll be back down the order.

Manormanic · « **Reply #429 on:** November 13, 2018, 08:45:41 PM »

Keeping position...tbh I think that does Foakes' batting a bit of a disservice. In a team full of dashers, he is a natural accumulator.

On Stokes at 3 long term, the big issue for me would be three consecutive left handers.

LateBloomer · « **Reply #430 on:** November 13, 2018, 09:44:36 PM »

I don't see any sign of Stokes bowling workload being reduced! Maybe on these pitches and rightly so, but back in England he'll be queueing up to get the ball.

For me having Stokes at 6 provides the luxury genuine all rounder that many sides crave. It is also the position where we should see the best of him - taking the game to the opposition. That South Africa knock was one of the best I've seen. Please don't turn him into a boring accumulator because all our other 3s are rubbish!

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #431 on:** November 13, 2018, 11:22:44 PM »

Quote from: LateBloomer on November 13, 2018, 09:44:36 PM

I don't see any sign of Stokes bowling workload being reduced! Maybe on these pitches and rightly so, but back in England he'll be queueing up to get the ball.

For me having Stokes at 6 provides the luxury genuine all rounder that many sides crave. It is also the position where we should see the best of him - taking the game to the opposition. That South Africa knock was one of the best I've seen. Please don't turn him into a boring accumulator because all our other 3s are rubbish!

Boring but in tests it�s what is required from your top 3. That�s the beauty of the formst, roles for all style of batsmen

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #432 on:** November 14, 2018, 12:42:13 AM »

I don't see why Bairstow has an grievances about being dropped tbh. Foakes is considerably a better gloveman, hence why Bairstow grabbed the gloves back off Buttler after his finger injury. Secondly Bairstow is averaging 30 with the bat in the last 2 years. Hardly the numbers of 'the two best batsman in the side'. Bairstow is currently firmly behind Buttler in the pecking order, forget about dislodging Foakes.

edge · « **Reply #433 on:** November 14, 2018, 04:41:13 AM »

Well, Dilruwan's ragged two past the outside edge in only the second over of the game... good toss to win!

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #434 on:** November 14, 2018, 06:23:06 AM »

Turning quite a long way already

89-4, good score from here? 250?

We will need the three spinners!!

Akila bowling and there seems to be a definite straightening but whether it�s illegal is anyone�s guess

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