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Re: GM Factory Visit
« Reply #210 on: October 27, 2018, 10:17:24 PM »

So those who saw them both, which is the nicer shape- Mythos or Noir?
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Re: GM Factory Visit
« Reply #211 on: October 27, 2018, 10:18:40 PM »

So those who saw them both, which is the nicer shape- Mythos or Noir?

Noir

Hands down the best shape I’ve seen for a long time

Gm said it was proving incredibly popular already
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Re: GM Factory Visit
« Reply #212 on: October 27, 2018, 11:13:42 PM »

So those who saw them both, which is the nicer shape- Mythos or Noir?

They are both great, so naturally gone for one of each ;)
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Re: GM Factory Visit
« Reply #213 on: October 27, 2018, 11:25:29 PM »

Noir

Hands down the best shape I’ve seen for a long time

Gm said it was proving incredibly popular already

What's the swell position on the NOir?
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Re: GM Factory Visit
« Reply #215 on: October 28, 2018, 01:49:34 PM »

^ Cool!

Mythos has the right swell position for me.
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Re: GM Factory Visit
« Reply #216 on: October 28, 2018, 02:07:39 PM »

Looks like a fascinating day. With the care they take over every bat it is no suprise that they are the best and most consistent of all the big brands.
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Re: GM Factory Visit
« Reply #217 on: October 28, 2018, 05:31:17 PM »

Gunn and Moore went 'above and beyond' hosting Friday' factory visit. The five of us lucky enough to attend were hosted by 8 GM luminaries - Edward and Richard, (MD and Sales Director), Peter (the former MD, ECB Board member, former Chairman of Notts CCC), along with sales and marketing staff and a science bod (Dr James). Phil (who manages the site) organised a great day - nothing was too much trouble.

We started with a look at a number of historic bats (going back beyond 200 years, when it was a very different sport). These included the aluminium bat famously used (briefly) and thrown in a Test match by Dennis Lille, a Test used bat of former MD, Reg Simpson and a huge chunk of willow used recently by Samit Patel (pre - bat size Regs). This was followed by a general chat and a look at the GM 2019 Marketing video.

Having passed through the huge warehouse (including darts and snooker equipment all made by the parent, Unicorn Group), we entered the yard to begin our tour. I won't go into detail, as there are various videos online showing a tour. The tour took us from a large tree trunk through the various stages of cutting into rounds, splitting into clefts, cutting the clefts, drying the clefts in various stages, before moving indoors to the grading area and a humidity controlled room. Highlights included seeing a bat originally intended for Ben Stokes, but rejected because of the signs of storm damage. There was a rack of 'rejects', most of which had minor knot holes in the back etc. which I would have been delighted to bat with.

There was a feel of a happy firm as various employees we spoke to revealed they had worked there for 30 odd years. Each craftsman specialising in one part of the process, (cutting the clefts; grading; cutting and fitting the handles; operating the CNC machine; pressing; final shaping; knocking in; polishing and of course, applying the stickers as the final seal of approval).

Our tour guides were happy to field any and all questions, share experiences and opinions. They were very open about the whole process and the reasons behind each action. A generous lunch, more cricket chat and close look at the 2019 range of bats and softs followed. When they invited us to have a look at a bin of bats we could select from to buy, there was a stampede back to the factory.

A few points that may be worth mentioning, as they come from the 'horses mouth' not just received wisdom from an unknown source -
Knocking in - no need to spend hours on this. Round the edges, do some modest work on the toe and edges, then a couple of nets with an old ball, Et voila. Using substantial magnification of bat fibres after typical knocking-in of an edge revealed damage to the fibres, no positive compression.
Oiling - raw linseed oil should be used. It seals the bat - retaining the moisture in the bat, whilst reducing external moisture from entering the bat. It does not serve to somehow 'condition', or soften the fibres for knocking in. scuff sheets have an advantage of also retaining moisture in the face of a bat.
Handles - the same handle is used across the range. Handle weights can vary by an oz or two - this is one very good reason not to be too specific on an absolute dead weight of bat (eg has to be 2lb 9.5 oz or it feels too heavy). Go by the pick up.
Long blade/ handle - (I hope I have got this right, use this as an indication of the reasoning, feel free to research more, eg - http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/teaching/civil/structuralconcepts/StudentCoursework/contents/43.pdf ) a longer blade moves the node of vibration further away from the  centre of percussion. This can impact on the discomfort felt by the batsman and reduce the effectiveness of the shot (due to vibration). Shorter blade bats (eg 540mm) are proving very popular because the two areas are coinciding more closely. Therefore, if a longer bat is needed, a long handle (unless you are a handle choker) is a more efficient style.
 
A huge thank you to Edward, Richard, Peter, Phil and all your colleagues both in and out of the factory, who gave us a fantastic insight into the reality of bat making.  Should any of you have the chance to visit, do take the day off work and go - you will enjoy it immensely and learn a huge amount.
David
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Re: GM Factory Visit
« Reply #218 on: October 28, 2018, 06:03:15 PM »

There was a rack of 'rejects', most of which had minor knot holes in the back etc. which I would have been delighted to bat with.
Ah yes the rejects shelf..thanks David for reminding about that.

Forgot about that. This only exists because retailers feel they can't shift them as customers won't buy them. Which brings me onto the next point... these bats are not sold but given to sponsored players! Obviously not high profile players. As mentioned there were some absolute beauties in there that user's on here would jump at if given the chance... yet somehow they aren't good enough for retail...  :o :(

GM do not misgrade... they just have a very generous grading system.
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Re: GM Factory Visit
« Reply #219 on: October 28, 2018, 06:07:35 PM »

Ah yes the rejects shelf..thanks David for reminding about that.

Forgot about that. This only exists because retailers feel they can't shift them as customers won't buy them. Which brings me onto the next point... these bats are not sold but given to sponsored players! Obviously not high profile players. As mentioned there were some absolute beauties in there that user's on here would jump at if given the chance... yet somehow they aren't good enough for retail...  :o :(

GM do not misgrade... they just have a very generous grading system.

So you could argue the public get access to "better" GM bats than their sponsored pros...
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Re: GM Factory Visit
« Reply #220 on: October 28, 2018, 06:08:34 PM »

So you could argue the public get access to "better" GM bats than their sponsored pros...

Based on that logic you could do... but its  highlights how retailers want better looking bats because customers do! The blemishes on some were nowhere near the playing area and guess there would have been no impact on playing areas...
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Re: GM Factory Visit
« Reply #221 on: October 28, 2018, 06:10:27 PM »

So you could argue the public get access to "better" GM bats than their sponsored pros...

Only the junior sponsored and county 2s sponsored

Any county first team will have their own shape or a tweak on a shape
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Re: GM Factory Visit
« Reply #222 on: October 28, 2018, 06:42:55 PM »

Gunn and Moore went 'above and beyond' hosting Friday' factory visit. The five of us lucky enough to attend were hosted by 8 GM luminaries - Edward and Richard, (MD and Sales Director), Peter (the former MD, ECB Board member, former Chairman of Notts CCC), along with sales and marketing staff and a science bod (Dr James). Phil (who manages the site) organised a great day - nothing was too much trouble.

We started with a look at a number of historic bats (going back beyond 200 years, when it was a very different sport). These included the aluminium bat famously used (briefly) and thrown in a Test match by Dennis Lille, a Test used bat of former MD, Reg Simpson and a huge chunk of willow used recently by Samit Patel (pre - bat size Regs). This was followed by a general chat and a look at the GM 2019 Marketing video.

Having passed through the huge warehouse (including darts and snooker equipment all made by the parent, Unicorn Group), we entered the yard to begin our tour. I won't go into detail, as there are various videos online showing a tour. The tour took us from a large tree trunk through the various stages of cutting into rounds, splitting into clefts, cutting the clefts, drying the clefts in various stages, before moving indoors to the grading area and a humidity controlled room. Highlights included seeing a bat originally intended for Ben Stokes, but rejected because of the signs of storm damage. There was a rack of 'rejects', most of which had minor knot holes in the back etc. which I would have been delighted to bat with.

There was a feel of a happy firm as various employees we spoke to revealed they had worked there for 30 odd years. Each craftsman specialising in one part of the process, (cutting the clefts; grading; cutting and fitting the handles; operating the CNC machine; pressing; final shaping; knocking in; polishing and of course, applying the stickers as the final seal of approval).

Our tour guides were happy to field any and all questions, share experiences and opinions. They were very open about the whole process and the reasons behind each action. A generous lunch, more cricket chat and close look at the 2019 range of bats and softs followed. When they invited us to have a look at a bin of bats we could select from to buy, there was a stampede back to the factory.

A few points that may be worth mentioning, as they come from the 'horses mouth' not just received wisdom from an unknown source -
Knocking in - no need to spend hours on this. Round the edges, do some modest work on the toe and edges, then a couple of nets with an old ball, Et voila. Using substantial magnification of bat fibres after typical knocking-in of an edge revealed damage to the fibres, no positive compression.
Oiling - raw linseed oil should be used. It seals the bat - retaining the moisture in the bat, whilst reducing external moisture from entering the bat. It does not serve to somehow 'condition', or soften the fibres for knocking in. scuff sheets have an advantage of also retaining moisture in the face of a bat.
Handles - the same handle is used across the range. Handle weights can vary by an oz or two - this is one very good reason not to be too specific on an absolute dead weight of bat (eg has to be 2lb 9.5 oz or it feels too heavy). Go by the pick up.
Long blade/ handle - (I hope I have got this right, use this as an indication of the reasoning, feel free to research more, eg - http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/teaching/civil/structuralconcepts/StudentCoursework/contents/43.pdf ) a longer blade moves the node of vibration further away from the  centre of percussion. This can impact on the discomfort felt by the batsman and reduce the effectiveness of the shot (due to vibration). Shorter blade bats (eg 540mm) are proving very popular because the two areas are coinciding more closely. Therefore, if a longer bat is needed, a long handle (unless you are a handle choker) is a more efficient style.
 
A huge thank you to Edward, Richard, Peter, Phil and all your colleagues both in and out of the factory, who gave us a fantastic insight into the reality of bat making.  Should any of you have the chance to visit, do take the day off work and go - you will enjoy it immensely and learn a huge amount.
David


Many thanks for the write up and big thanks to the Nottingham 5 who took the time to come and visit with us. We very much enjoyed having you all along and having a bit of time to show you what we do. We are extremely proud of our people and our processes and are thrilled to share GM with you.

I am particularly interested in a view coming through that GM is one of the Big Brands (that bit I get) so therefore we don't care about every bat (that bit I don't). Nothing could be further from the truth as I think the 5 have seen for themselves. Our people are - I'm going to say it - the most skilled and the most experienced in the industry. We care about every piece of timber that passes through our collective hands, indeed that is why the DXM process is not just about machinery, it is about the gathering of information, understanding and continual improvement.

Conversely, many so called "boutique" brands do no more than buy in part-finished clefts from India, do a minor amount of work and labelling and call it their own. Small isn't always beautiful. I do not mean to offend, I quite appreciate that there are some skilled artisans out there doing a great job for their customers making beautiful bats from the tree to you. Just not everyone.

For our part, we can do no more than show you around GM and on Friday it was our pleasure to do so.

Best wishes

Edward
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Re: GM Factory Visit
« Reply #223 on: October 29, 2018, 02:16:05 AM »

Many thanks for the write up and big thanks to the Nottingham 5 who took the time to come and visit with us. We very much enjoyed having you all along and having a bit of time to show you what we do. We are extremely proud of our people and our processes and are thrilled to share GM with you.

I am particularly interested in a view coming through that GM is one of the Big Brands (that bit I get) so therefore we don't care about every bat (that bit I don't). Nothing could be further from the truth as I think the 5 have seen for themselves. Our people are - I'm going to say it - the most skilled and the most experienced in the industry. We care about every piece of timber that passes through our collective hands, indeed that is why the DXM process is not just about machinery, it is about the gathering of information, understanding and continual improvement.

Conversely, many so called "boutique" brands do no more than buy in part-finished clefts from India, do a minor amount of work and labelling and call it their own. Small isn't always beautiful. I do not mean to offend, I quite appreciate that there are some skilled artisans out there doing a great job for their customers making beautiful bats from the tree to you. Just not everyone.

For our part, we can do no more than show you around GM and on Friday it was our pleasure to do so.

Best wishes

Edward

Even Jesus had his critics Edward!

Sounds like everyone had a fantastic time. Ive never had a brand new GM before but after hearing all the positive feedback from the 5 that went i think 2019 will be the year. @Six Sixes Cricket can you line me up something nice please?
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Re: GM Factory Visit
« Reply #224 on: October 29, 2018, 09:03:56 AM »

Certainly @LateBloomer , which model currently takes your fancy?
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