Topic: Sky Sports Cricket (Read 12346 times)

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #60 on:** November 01, 2018, 02:17:44 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 01, 2018, 02:09:15 PM

That in itself is a myth. Thousands of psych studies have looked at this, and kids today are no different from kids 30 years ago.

Using your own quote �you need to wake up� if you generally believe that statement to be true, the difference today is massive, not only in terms of Tech but in terms of attitude, respect and everything that goes with it

KettonJake · « **Reply #61 on:** November 01, 2018, 02:29:13 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 01, 2018, 02:09:15 PM

That in itself is a myth. Thousands of psych studies have looked at this, and kids today are no different from kids 30 years ago.

they are different to 10 years ago never mind 30

SLA · « **Reply #62 on:** November 01, 2018, 02:44:06 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on November 01, 2018, 02:17:44 PM

Using your own quote �you need to wake up� if you generally believe that statement to be true, the difference today is massive, not only in terms of Tech but in terms of attitude, respect and everything that goes with it

So just to be clear, you think you know better about psychology then the entire field of professional psychologists?

Two words for you. Dunning, kruger.

KettonJake · « **Reply #63 on:** November 01, 2018, 02:54:12 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 01, 2018, 02:44:06 PM

So just to be clear, you think you know better about psychology then the entire field of professional psychologists?

Two words for you. Dunning, kruger.

I don't, and I am sure Chris wouldn't claim to either, but specific to cricket I do speak to clubs every single day who lament the attitudes of young players nowadays compared to times gone by.

I wouldn't have dreamt of saying no to my first team skipper when called up from the 2nds as a teenager in the early noughties, because I'd 'rather play with my mates' or 'I want to have a bat/bowl and I'm not guaranteed one in the 1st team' - but these seem to be the standard responses nowadays. And not only that, they expect to be considered going forward after turning down the 1st team. I knew i'd never get a look in again if I said no.

In my opinion, many professionals have no connection to the real world at the coal face. Look at the 'qualified' 'professionals' running the ECB.

This topic is wavering far away from Skys (perceived lack of) cricket coverage to be honest. I know what I know, I work in the cricket industry and have done for nearly ten years now. Dropping a few psychology studies into the conversation isn't going to change that.

NT50 · « **Reply #64 on:** November 01, 2018, 03:26:37 PM »

SLA talking out his backside on another topic? who would have thought it...

liscon12 · « **Reply #65 on:** November 01, 2018, 03:28:46 PM »

What uni has taught me is that your claims aren't credible without proper reliable information to back you up. Opinions are opinions and everyone has one, we shouldn't belittle those who you may not agree with.

Anyways back on topic, basically everything is less concentrated now and thinly spread out with each media outlet trying to win your service. Gone are the days of having everything in one place aka Sky and it's only going to get worse with the likes of Amazon, Facebook and YouTube now also trying to get views.

Outside of Aisa, cricket is a niche and if you want to watch it all you'll have to pay for it all

edge · « **Reply #66 on:** November 01, 2018, 03:39:46 PM »

Quote from: KettonJake on November 01, 2018, 02:54:12 PM

I wouldn't have dreamt of saying no to my first team skipper when called up from the 2nds as a teenager in the early noughties, because I'd 'rather play with my mates' or 'I want to have a bat/bowl and I'm not guaranteed one in the 1st team' - but these seem to be the standard responses nowadays. And not only that, they expect to be considered going forward after turning down the 1st team. I knew i'd never get a look in again if I said no.

Don't think this is a change in the way kids are now vs then, adults don't want to waste a day getting a tfc in a higher team either - and to an extent who can blame them. For better or worse, sadly everyone is time poorer these days and club cricket hasn't really worked out how to deal with that yet.

@liscon12 is bang on there, it's only going to get worse the more broadcasters decide to compete for rights - just look at football.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #67 on:** November 01, 2018, 04:05:53 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 01, 2018, 02:09:15 PM

That in itself is a myth. Thousands of psych studies have looked at this, and kids today are no different from kids 30 years ago.

Yes they are and they are generally more gobby.

SLA · « **Reply #68 on:** November 01, 2018, 05:50:24 PM »

Quote from: NT50 on November 01, 2018, 03:26:37 PM

SLA talking out his backside on another topic? who would have thought it...

Oh do (No Swearing Please) off

SLA · « **Reply #69 on:** November 01, 2018, 05:57:21 PM »

Quote from: KettonJake on November 01, 2018, 02:54:12 PM

I don't, and I am sure Chris wouldn't claim to either, but specific to cricket I do speak to clubs every single day who lament the attitudes of young players nowadays compared to times gone by.

I wouldn't have dreamt of saying no to my first team skipper when called up from the 2nds as a teenager in the early noughties, because I'd 'rather play with my mates' or 'I want to have a bat/bowl and I'm not guaranteed one in the 1st team' - but these seem to be the standard responses nowadays. And not only that, they expect to be considered going forward after turning down the 1st team. I knew i'd never get a look in again if I said no.

In my opinion, many professionals have no connection to the real world at the coal face. Look at the 'qualified' 'professionals' running the ECB.

This topic is wavering far away from Skys (perceived lack of) cricket coverage to be honest. I know what I know, I work in the cricket industry and have done for nearly ten years now. Dropping a few psychology studies into the conversation isn't going to change that.

So do i, so do must people here i imagine Your anecdotes are no more valid or conclusive than anyone else's. If that's all you've got, then you've got nothing. Just prejudice and hearsay.

The kids I work with in cricket are every bit as thoughtful, committed, patient, disciplined and intelligent as my generation or any before it. Professional studies back this opinion up.

Feel free to disagree, but the bottom line is, you're as wrong as any flat earther or climate change denier.

t2ylo · « **Reply #70 on:** November 01, 2018, 06:40:32 PM »

To lighten the mood I�ve been thinking about the SSC planning meetings.

So this month. We�ve got 31 days to fil. 24 hrs a day. I�m thinking mostly England in Sri Lanka. Maybe some Zimbabwe and then oodles of Masterclasses and How the (insert cup/series) was won... who�s with me?

What about Indian v Windies & Pakistan v Aus? The right would cost bobbins and we can take their feed & comms. I�ve checked with Harmy he�d do studio guest for a small fee plus dinner bed & breakfast in a mid range hotel.

Laughter. No need mate. There�s no chance we are putting some actual live cricket content on this channel entirely devoted to the sport. There�s no Asian fans or cricket die hards that would love an early morning with a cuppa watching international sport. Get out.

Right, back to the meeting, so who wants to see Flintoff bowling yorkers again???

Sam · « **Reply #71 on:** November 01, 2018, 06:47:26 PM »

Quote from: t2ylo on November 01, 2018, 06:40:32 PM

What about Indian v Windies & Pakistan v Aus? The right would cost bobbins...

I'd imagine Stars entry into the UK rights has made the India games pretty hard for Sky to get.

KettonJake · « **Reply #72 on:** November 01, 2018, 09:36:54 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 01, 2018, 05:57:21 PM

So do i, so do must people here i imagine Your anecdotes are no more valid or conclusive than anyone else's. If that's all you've got, then you've got nothing. Just prejudice and hearsay.

The kids I work with in cricket are every bit as thoughtful, committed, patient, disciplined and intelligent as my generation or any before it. Professional studies back this opinion up.

Feel free to disagree, but the bottom line is, you're as wrong as any flat earther or climate change denier.

So my opinion is wrong because it�s an opinion but your opinion is valid because you say that it�s backed by some professional studies.

OK then.

Prejudicce and hearsay? I�m simply stating what I get told on the coal face by clubs up and down the country every single day. I personally quoted over 500 cricket clubs for ground equipment this year for grant funding purposes and as a business we do thousands of these quotes every year. During this process you do actually engage with the person from the club making the enquiry (usually chairman, captain, or committee member) and get to know them and their club. One of the consisten themes is the change in youngsters as I mentioned previously. Not my prejudiced opinion as you are trying to suggest, simply the real life experiences of club volunteers up and down the country.

Resorting to comparing me to a flat earther tells me all I need to know about the sort of person you are. Thanks for the �discussion� but I think I�ll leave it there.

KettonJake · « **Reply #73 on:** November 01, 2018, 09:41:19 PM »

Kids are just as committed nowadays though right? Nothing�s changed you said?

Quote from: SLA on October 23, 2018, 02:42:08 PM

I think its always been the case that kids drop out of activities, but the rate of drop-outs has become unprecedented. Whereas it used to be that maybe 75% of kids would drop out, now its 95%. That's quite a big difference, that adds up over a few years.

When I was a kid, me and most of my mates not only played cricket, but also watched it on the tv and supported England. Being interested in cricket never had a stigma attached to it (at least not where I grew up in the midlands).

SLA · « **Reply #74 on:** November 01, 2018, 09:55:21 PM »

Quote from: KettonJake on November 01, 2018, 09:36:54 PM

So my opinion is wrong because it�s an opinion but your opinion is valid because you say that it�s backed by some professional studies.

OK then.

Yes. That's how it works. I have both significantly more direct experience working with kids in cricket AND the entire weight of academia on my side, you have a bunch of anecdotes.

You're not just wrong, you're beginning to look like,an arrogant and deluded idiot .

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