Topic: England tour of West Indies (Read 147883 times)

Manormanic · « **Reply #360 on:** January 26, 2019, 05:42:25 PM »

Certainly not going to defend Root's shot...

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #361 on:** January 26, 2019, 05:43:15 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 26, 2019, 05:42:25 PM

Certainly not going to defend Root's shot...

I genuinely don�t get the thinking. Why even bother trying to force a scoring shot.. pat it back and wait for the next. Runs are literlaly meaningless ..

They all seem incapable of not simply trying to score off every ball. Looks great when it comes off sure but it�s test cricket.. look g st their avg�s (root aside) they are dire ..30�s

NT50 · « **Reply #362 on:** January 26, 2019, 05:51:43 PM »

Yes we get it: we're poor with the bat in test matches, there's been some stupid shots, nobody has got the mentality anymore, things ain't what they used to be etc etc...

You don't need to remind us of it every 30 seconds, you are allowed to step away from the keyboard.

rickjames · « **Reply #363 on:** January 26, 2019, 06:43:15 PM »

Moeen is braindead, right?

ppccopener · « **Reply #364 on:** January 26, 2019, 06:52:06 PM »

Tired shots from tired minds after the shellacking in the field. It's old style test cricket we need to be tougher

But as poor as England have been in this one match Windies have played like an experienced outfit. Well done to them.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #365 on:** January 26, 2019, 06:54:57 PM »

Moeen has to go. Give leech a run

Brain dead cricket.

Collingwood sums it up nicely currently.. he states Bairstow isn�t unlucky and runs are irrelevant. Colly tslking sense, key talking utter tripe

Quite simply we have too many 6/7�s so time to drop the ones not suitable and at least give those who want to bat like top order players a fair run

Buttler.. he is genuinely doing a sterling job so far. Batting with discipline and is adapting to the match situation. He�s winning me around tbh. Mentally seems willing to adapt and nit just go �aggressive� or �postiive brand of cricket�.. sadly, as I was typing he played a stupidly aggressive shot

six and out · « **Reply #366 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:02:34 PM »

Has Mo's batting gone that far downhill that he no longer deserves his place?

I mean is there justification that says Leach should play as the only specialist spinner?

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #367 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:07:00 PM »

Quote from: six and out on January 26, 2019, 07:02:34 PM

Has Mo's batting gone that far downhill that he no longer deserves his place?

I mean is there justification that says Leach should play as the only specialist spinner?

Moeen is there to be a spinner. His batting should be irrelevant. Play your best spinner. If your top six plus all rounder isn�t good though to bat then find better test batsmen

Manormanic · « **Reply #368 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:10:53 PM »

Thing is, I don't think we have that many classically styled top order players available to us - if you listen to the various commentaries the name that comes up most often is Jason "Voted the man most likely to stonewall a draw" Roy ferchrissakes. Denly for Jennings seems like a possible idea - if nothing else, would be no worse than Rashid as a spinner - but really, if you look through the candidates who is there. At the D1 counties, the regular top threes last year (sans overseas):

Surrey - Burns, Stoneman
Essex - Cook, Browne, Chopra
Somerset - Trescothick, Byrom
Yorkshire - Lyth, Brook
Hampshire - Weatherall, Vince, Adams
Notts - Mullaney, Libby, Slater
Lancs - Hameed, Jones, Davies
Worcs - Mitchell

Not many contenders leaping out - Brook and Byrom will be three years from now, Hameed and Davies too I hope. But now? Not seeing it.

Go into D2, who is there? Of the counties with recent D1 experience:

Middx - Robson, Gubbins, Eskinazi, Holden
Warks - Sibley, Rhodes
Durham - Lees, Steel

Then you've got a coulple of promising names in Phil Salt, Chris Dent, Sam Bracey but with no pedigree beyond d2...

I could pick names, but I would be guessing.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #369 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:15:39 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 26, 2019, 07:10:53 PM

Thing is, I don't think we have that many classically styled top order players available to us - if you listen to the various commentaries the name that comes up most often is Jason "Voted the man most likely to stonewall a draw" Roy ferchrissakes. Denly for Jennings seems like a possible idea - if nothing else, would be no worse than Rashid as a spinner - but really, if you look through the candidates who is there. At the D1 counties, the regular top threes last year (sans overseas):

Surrey - Burns, Stoneman
Essex - Cook, Browne, Chopra
Somerset - Trescothick, Byrom
Yorkshire - Lyth, Brook
Hampshire - Weatherall, Vince, Adams
Notts - Mullaney, Libby, Slater
Lancs - Hameed, Jones, Davies
Worcs - Mitchell

Not many contenders leaping out - Brook and Byrom will be three years from now, Hameed and Davies too I hope. But now? Not seeing it.

Go into D2, who is there? Of the counties with recent D1 experience:

Middx - Robson, Gubbins, Eskinazi, Holden
Warks - Sibley, Rhodes
Durham - Lees, Steel

Then you've got a coulple of promising names in Phil Salt, Chris Dent, Sam Bracey but with no pedigree beyond d2...

I could pick names, but I would be guessing.

Sadly I agree. County cricket just isn�t producing quality top three players. These guys listed (barring a couple ) are all but part red ball openers and white ball players. We need counties to produce some specialist red ball top order bats

Foakes should go for the not out here.. spoke too soon... he gone.. poorly again .. his avg is plummeting now.. needs some runs or Bairstow should go back to 6/7 as wk

Buzz · « **Reply #370 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:16:33 PM »

I can see Curran, Rashid, Mo all getting dropped for the next game.
Jennings too, but there isn't a replacement opener.

Also Foakes coming in has made selection much harder...

However we need a top order batsman.
But anyone who thinks someone new will start doing well think about this...
The next games are May against Ireland, then the Ashes and the away against SA.
It doesn't get any tougher than that.

Manormanic · « **Reply #371 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:20:42 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on January 26, 2019, 07:16:33 PM

I can see Curran, Rashid, Mo all getting dropped for the next game.
Jennings too, but there isn't a replacement opener.

Also Foakes coming in has made selection much harder...

However we need a top order batsman.
But anyone who thinks someone new will start doing well think about this...
The next games are May against Ireland, then the Ashes and the away against SA.
It doesn't get any tougher than that.

I think I was right when I said that we cannot play Ali and Rashid as our spin pairing. Leach and Ali or Leach and Rashid conceivably, but not the two together. It depends whether they stay with the usual dry, low turner next or whether there is another quicker deck.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #372 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:25:58 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on January 26, 2019, 07:16:33 PM

I can see Curran, Rashid, Mo all getting dropped for the next game.
Jennings too, but there isn't a replacement opener.

Also Foakes coming in has made selection much harder...

However we need a top order batsman.
But anyone who thinks someone new will start doing well think about this...
The next games are May against Ireland, then the Ashes and the away against SA.
It doesn't get any tougher than that.

Woakes and broad in for curran and Rashid . Curran just isn�t up to being either a bowler or batter so is competing with stokes as all rounder and it isn�t even close.
Leech in for moeen. Moeen is done and should now act as second spinner like monty did formswann

Batting wise.. Jennings can�t stay, so whoever is in the squad send them in but accept they might do no better.

ECB needs to sort the counties out as they aren�t producing test batters .. loads and loads of 6/7�s tbf

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #373 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:27:51 PM »

Wtf Rashid.. not even trying to survive to the close..

Lack of Desire to fight.. jut wack wack wack

billyb · « **Reply #374 on:** January 26, 2019, 07:32:58 PM »

I agree @Buzz, I'd drop Curran, Rashid and Mo. To be honest I'd probably drop Jennings too- let's see what Denly has got.
Broad will come back in, possibly Leach to offer some control unless Root's offies are enough. I don't see Wood playing, but he is our most 'different' bowling option. In Woakes we have a Rolls-Royce of an All Rounder. I'm not saying he's going to change the series but he is a far better bowler than Curran at the moment. This has been a really poor performance from England. The only highlights being Anderson's 5-for, Stokes perhaps and Burns scoring 80-odd. Oh, and bring Vince in to the squad for cover.

My argument here is that England's top order isn't strong enough to score consistent runs at the moment, and the lower order can't always be relied upon. Therefore we need the best bowling attack we have to restrict the opposition.

Burns
Jennings--- Denly (Doubt it will happen but we need to see him at some point!)
Bairstow
Root
Stokes
Buttler
Ali--- Foakes
Foakes--- Woakes
Curran--- Broad
Rashid--- Leach
Anderson

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