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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #450 on: January 30, 2019, 01:07:34 PM »
Jennings is not in the match 12...
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #451 on: January 30, 2019, 01:10:53 PM »
Quote from: Buzz on January 30, 2019, 01:07:34 PM
Jennings is not in the match 12...

Interesting, is this official?
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« Reply #452 on: January 30, 2019, 02:38:05 PM »
Footage on twitter of Bairstow going through keeping drills. He may well do this every game but if he were to keep he cannot bat 3. Way too much pressure physically and mentally.

If Jennings doesn't play, it has to be Burns and Denley to open, Buttler at 3, then Root, Stokes, Bairstow (if keeping).

If Buttler is playing solely as a batsman, he has to bat three. Root won't and all others need to be able to focus on their bowling/keeping and maxjmising those skills. That means batting middle order.

All tbis assumes Foakes doesn't keep, which would be a shame
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #453 on: January 30, 2019, 02:49:35 PM »
Yes and a tough ask for butler if correct. We have tried a few lower order at 3 in the last 6 months. butler has shown patience I don't think anyone knew he had over the last 12 months but it's a big job against a new ball.

I still maintain Root should be 3 and not captain but the way forward is set you would think.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #454 on: January 30, 2019, 03:26:16 PM »
I think the way it’s listed in the article is probably a big clue. Suggests no change to the batting order just that one personnel change. Rashid also isn’t in the squad. It’s basically Anderson Ali then perm 2 out of Broad Curran Leach.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #455 on: January 30, 2019, 03:37:36 PM »
I don't like Jennings but putting Denly in just feels like a temporary plug. When did he last open for Kent in 4 day cricket?

For me it's one of Broad, Curran or Leach. Would like Broad, personally.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #456 on: January 30, 2019, 03:52:33 PM »
Denly confirmed to make his debut, a tough ask but hope he goes well, it may be short term but we need to stop looking past every series to Australia.

It's disrespectful to the opposition and look where we are 0-1.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #457 on: January 30, 2019, 03:56:08 PM »
surely if you thought Jennings was within a game of being dropped you'd have taken proper cover in terms of opening bats. Denly is undoubtably a handy player but it's not really as a red ball opening bat that he's been turning heads recently!
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #458 on: January 30, 2019, 04:00:22 PM »
Rashid sent home, no explanation as to why but doubt the ECB doubt want to admit its because Joe Root has finally said he doesn't want him
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #459 on: January 30, 2019, 04:04:29 PM »
Quote from: Kulli on January 30, 2019, 03:56:08 PM
surely if you thought Jennings was within a game of being dropped you'd have taken proper cover in terms of opening bats. Denly is undoubtably a handy player but it's not really as a red ball opening bat that he's been turning heads recently!

Very true, perhaps we were arrogant after SL and thought we could carry Jennings for a 3 match series without cover.

Not sure if we did have a cover opener who that would of been though. Can't think of a lions player apart from Clarke who bats 3 normally
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #460 on: January 30, 2019, 04:13:49 PM »
Quote from: Warneymonster on January 30, 2019, 04:00:22 PM
Rashid sent home, no explanation as to why but doubt the ECB doubt want to admit its because Joe Root has finally said he doesn't want him

Expecting a child apparently.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #461 on: January 30, 2019, 04:22:32 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on January 30, 2019, 04:04:29 PM
Very true, perhaps we were arrogant after SL and thought we could carry Jennings for a 3 match series without cover.

Not sure if we did have a cover opener who that would of been though. Can't think of a lions player apart from Clarke who bats 3 normally
who's been opening for the Lions recently? Burns and Jennings?
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #462 on: January 30, 2019, 04:24:12 PM »
Quote from: Kulli on January 30, 2019, 04:22:32 PM
who's been opening for the Lions recently? Burns and Jennings?

Gubbins and Holden did it in the UAE and presumably will in India too.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #463 on: January 30, 2019, 04:49:21 PM »
Quote from: Kulli on January 30, 2019, 07:34:56 AM
I like Foakes and hope he stays in the side but thats not a very fair measure. He's only played SL, who are rubbish and we smashed. Buttle jennings and Bairstow all also averaged over 40 in the same period, with Root and Curran not far behind.
Yes to be fair you can't place too much emphasis on Foakes' test average just yet! The first class stats are instructive though, particularly as Foakes has played the majority of his first class career in the top 6. Buttler's a much better player than his career average now too, with the caveat that he needs to play more really big innings.

Selectors probably regretting they didn't bother to take any proper batting cover. Moeen vs Curran for the final spot I guess. Must confess though - Curran's great and all, but I still fail to see what he is better at than Chris Woakes.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #464 on: January 30, 2019, 05:07:57 PM »
The worry for me with Woakes is whether he had recovered properly from the serious muscle tear he suffered during 2017.  Since then he has looked down on pace and hadn't looked as likely to generate that dangerous late swing he produced prior to his injury.  His batting has looked excellent though and it maybe that he and Curran will have to fight it out where the side needs a 4th seater who can bat
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