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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #525 on: January 31, 2019, 05:37:11 PM »
Quote from: Seniorplayer on January 31, 2019, 05:29:58 PM
Unlucky
Well not according to Bumble  on commentary Quote it wasn't the worsed delivery to get a wicket but it's up there

You can get out to a (No Swearing Please) ball and still be unlucky. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #526 on: January 31, 2019, 05:48:03 PM »
Quote from: SLA on January 31, 2019, 05:22:24 PM

Rubbish. It's a cut shot, the ball is supposed to be wide. Balls like that get hammered to the fence all day long. He just got unlucky. If he'd have middled it you'd all be shouting great shot.

Playing the cut you either need to be in control and keep the ball down or in a position to get enough power in the shot to get it over the infield.  The ball was far too wide to manage either.  It was a dreadful shot in any situation
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #527 on: January 31, 2019, 06:10:55 PM »
Moeen ! Stop ruining my beautiful statistics from the last test!!! :D
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #528 on: January 31, 2019, 06:14:42 PM »
Quote from: csnew on January 31, 2019, 02:48:48 PM
Definitely a BBL shot from Denly. Poked at a couple wide ones in the first over too and now nicks off to a wide one

Burns did the same first test time and time again, got away with loads then finally nicked it and was caught.. ...
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #529 on: January 31, 2019, 06:17:07 PM »
Quote from: SD on January 31, 2019, 03:05:15 PM
Given the variation in bounce and carry on this pitch ao far would probably be putting the cut shot back in the bag for a start.  Ditto that lazy waft that Burns seems committed to playing.

I don't believe that the current state of English batting had anything to do with the increase in limited overs cricket - things were far far worse in the 90s when T20 was limited to under 15s and below at club level - but simply a lack of quality top order players currently available to England

Umm, 8 ball overs was played at club level so let’s not pretend T20 is modern . It’s been played for a long
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #530 on: January 31, 2019, 06:22:30 PM »
Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on January 31, 2019, 03:06:12 PM
Moeen averages 22 with the bat outside of England, which is dreadful. He shouldn't be in the side

Oh the irony of Moeen top-scoring :)
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #531 on: January 31, 2019, 06:23:42 PM »
Quote from: SD on January 31, 2019, 05:48:03 PM
Playing the cut you either need to be in control and keep the ball down or in a position to get enough power in the shot to get it over the infield.  The ball was far too wide to manage either.  It was a dreadful shot in any situation

It wasn't, though. Look where it pitches. Balls like that get thumped to the fence in every form of cricket.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #532 on: January 31, 2019, 06:26:34 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on January 31, 2019, 04:56:24 PM
Denly played way too far away from his body, no feet for a top order player that's only a getting out shot-he should of left it as wide as it was

Bairstow saw what the track was like and went ultra aggressive and took a calculated risk - that's intelligent batting

Denly wasn't in long enough to see what the pitch was like.i like Denly but call it as I see it.

No feet.. you’ve actually watched Bairstow right ??? Mr one day technique ..
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #533 on: January 31, 2019, 06:28:05 PM »
Quote from: SLA on January 31, 2019, 06:23:42 PM
It wasn't, though. Look where it pitches. Balls like that get thumped to the fence in every form of cricket.

The empirical evidence of him get a tiny nick at the end of the bat suggests maybe it was too far away
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #534 on: January 31, 2019, 06:29:26 PM »
Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 31, 2019, 06:17:07 PM
Umm, 8 ball overs was played at club level so let’s not pretend T20 is modern . It’s been played for a long

Not at professional level it hasn't which was the point I was making
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #535 on: January 31, 2019, 06:31:30 PM »
Quote from: SD on January 31, 2019, 06:29:26 PM
Not at professional level it hasn't which was the point I was making

Pro level fine

Club level it’s been played for years and years so the decline isn’t down to the format, purely the priority it’s now given over red ball formats. Same at club level with regards to skills fade as the formats dumbed down. Anyway.. England can’t bat but the pitch is interesting.. more interesting that what SL produced
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #536 on: January 31, 2019, 06:37:36 PM »
Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 31, 2019, 06:26:34 PM
No feet.. you’ve actually watched Bairstow right ??? Mr one day technique ..

Bairstow is a middle order batsman at test level he has ended up as our number 3 and yeah he does take the attacking option most times whereas another player would leave balls JB hits, sometimes away from his body.

But credit him today he looked a lot more behind the ball to me and a counter attack worked. He played well, very well.

No idea what a good score is on this but we are in the game
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #537 on: January 31, 2019, 06:44:18 PM »
Excellent from Moeen and Foakes
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #538 on: January 31, 2019, 06:52:21 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on January 31, 2019, 06:37:36 PM
Bairstow is a middle order batsman at test level he has ended up as our number 3 and yeah he does take the attacking option most times whereas another player would leave balls JB hits, sometimes away from his body.

But credit him today he looked a lot more behind the ball to me and a counter attack worked. He played well, very well.

No idea what a good score is on this but we are in the game

He ALwAYS ‘counter attacks’. He literally knows nothing else.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #539 on: January 31, 2019, 07:06:23 PM »
Also this over rate is shocking, fine worthy if you ask me
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