Topic: England tour of West Indies (Read 147766 times)

jamielsn15 · « **Reply #705 on:** February 03, 2019, 09:40:01 AM »

Sadly too many 'jack of all trades and masters of none...' It shouldn't be knee jerk, but the fact is total inning collapses are now a regular occurence. It's lack of discipline amd a belief that they can hit out of pressure, as per the odi team.

That said, it should be made clear to county and lions players that form may well get you an ashes call up. I don't care if the player is 18 or 40.

If they underestimated the Windies team, that's unforgivable. It's test match cricket and they're professional sportsmen. But it is great to see a Windies team competing. I don't quite remember 84, but the Gatting Marshall 86 tour onwards i do. Would love to see a Windies team that can compete around the world.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #706 on:** February 03, 2019, 09:45:56 AM »

Quote from: billyb on February 02, 2019, 10:24:29 PM

For me, Woakes comes in, and Curran is dropped. Curran is going to be a really good player for us in the future, but it isn't quite his time just yet. He is a bit of a luxury pick right now. Woakes is a more skilled, consistent bowler and a solid batsman, with a recent test 100.

I see the argument for dropping Foakes in the terms of balance, but he has recently scored runs and looks fluent at the moment. Given our predicament, I don't think we can lose him.

I'm a massive fan of Bairstow, but he isn't a No.3, is he? So he has to move down the order.

Root is our star batsman, but isn't producing runs of late, and his captaincy needs to be seriously questioned. Since playing India at Lords, Root averages 29.05. That isn't good enough for our star man. His captaincy isn't good enough to make that drop acceptable. His insistence on batting 4 also creates big problems with the batting order. Previously he had been able to say he was scoring runs at 4- but now he isn't. I would take the captaincy off him, and put him at 3. He can be vice-Captain (smooth transition over), but tell him we need him to break Cook's records, to fight Kohli and Williamson for acclaim. In our current situation, him scoring runs is vital.

Buttler becomes the captain, dumping Root's aggressive Test cricket philosophy. That in itself is virtually an oxymoron. Nice idea, but it didn't work. The coach's job comes in to question too. A big problem with Root's captaincy is that he isn't getting the most out of a brilliantly talented group of players, almost like Mourinho at United. That isn't good enough, and so it is time for him to focus on his batting.

The side now looks much better.

You've got our best 4 seam bowlers, a good spinner and then Root/Denly to help. That is plenty of bowling.
You've given Buttler responsibility in terms of captaincy, and freed Root to be a world-beater. Bairstow can now do what he does best against a more tired attack. Woakes, Stokes and Ali give plenty of depth to the batting. We have our best keeper who is a very good bat too.

Burns
Denly
Root (VC)
Buttler (C)
Bairstow
Foakes (WK)
Stokes
Woakes
Ali
Broad
Anderson

Yep Woakes his consistent outside the UK consistent at averaging 60 runs per wicket

Manormanic · « **Reply #707 on:** February 03, 2019, 10:36:48 AM »

I do so love the irrational hatred shown toward Bairstow here. He was the only so called specialist to make double figures in the first knock a d was batting three after keeping 110 overs in the second. Yet Buttler did nowt (apart from nicking off charging down the pitch) and should be made captain. Hilarious!!!

ppccopener · « **Reply #708 on:** February 03, 2019, 10:43:15 AM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on February 03, 2019, 09:45:56 AM

Yep Woakes his consistent outside the UK consistent at averaging 60 runs per wicket

Woakes is not a world beater Alan but if you look at our team do we need him as a reliable seamer who can bat lower down?
We need someone who can bang out a length consistently.

He was not fit for the last match but on the basis he is fit....Anderson, broad and stokes are getting bowled into the ground by Root.....that cannot continue.

It would mean we only play one spinner, but would it help the team long term for most of the conditions we face?

six and out · « **Reply #709 on:** February 03, 2019, 10:50:42 AM »

Quote from Jason Holder after the game..... The ending the last year badly bit he talks about is the big series defeats against India and Bangladesh, including 2 innings defeats.

"The way we ended last year was a bit daunting, a bit disappointing, everybody wanted to turn things around so credit to the boys for the way they fought back.

"The guys had a long hard talk in the dressing room and it was something that was really needed to get some honesty in the dressing room."

Root and Baylis can bang on in interviews but I have absolutely no belief that any of the batters or staff know or maybe care or are asking themselves these sort of questions.

Otherwise it wouldn't keep on happening! That's the real problem I have with it.

six and out · « **Reply #710 on:** February 03, 2019, 12:54:28 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on February 03, 2019, 09:00:51 AM

How many innings will some of these batsmen play in first-class - *cough* 'red ball' - cricket between now and the Ashes series?

Not many.

Well....... let's see....

England schedule before the Ashes is as follows -

May vs Pakistan
5: T20 international, Cardiff
8: First ODI, Oval
11: Second ODI, Southampton
14: Third ODI, Bristol
17: Fourth ODI, Trent Bridge (day/night)
19: Fifth ODI, Headingley

World Cup: 30 May - 14 July

Only Test vs Ireland
24-27 July, Four-day Test, Lord's

Then overlay that with the CC rounds before the Ireland test -
Friday, April 5
Thursday, April 11
Tuesday, May 14
Monday, May 20
Monday, May 27
Monday, June 3
Sunday, June 9
Monday, June 10
Monday, June 17
Monday, June 24
Sunday, June 30
Sunday, July 7
Saturday, July 13

Obviously not everyone plays every date but that is 13 weeks of games to stake a claim in the side, because in theory if we do well in the World Cup it's conceivable that the guys that play white ball won't hit another red ball after the Windies tour till the Ireland test!!!

csnew · « **Reply #711 on:** February 03, 2019, 01:29:12 PM »

It�s time Baylis gives up the test match coaching. He�s already in favour of two coaches and he�s a white ball specialist

LateBloomer · « **Reply #712 on:** February 03, 2019, 01:41:12 PM »

Quote from: csnew on February 03, 2019, 01:29:12 PM

It�s time Baylis gives up the test match coaching. He�s already in favour of two coaches and he�s a white ball specialist

Hes already confirmed to be leaving both when his contract is up at the end of the summer so cant see anything changing before then

Test cricket has been very hit and miss but he has taken Englands 50 over team to unprecedented levels so should be applauded for that. A world cup win would be nice to go out on

billyb · « **Reply #713 on:** February 03, 2019, 01:42:44 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on February 03, 2019, 10:36:48 AM

I do so love the irrational hatred shown toward Bairstow here. He was the only so called specialist to make double figures in the first knock a d was batting three after keeping 110 overs in the second. Yet Buttler did nowt (apart from nicking off charging down the pitch) and should be made captain. Hilarious!!!

Bairstow is great, he's my favourite England player, but his technique isn't tight enough to be a number 3. At the same time, who (other than Root's) is tight enough? He scored a great 100 there though in SL. Cook was also questioning Bairstow at 3 yesterday. I chose Buttler as Captain because he is the vice-captain, no other reason. Out of interest, who was the last bowler to hold the test captaincy for England? I wonder if there are other strong leaders in the group. Maybe Root is the only option? Who knows.

ppccopener · « **Reply #714 on:** February 03, 2019, 01:51:21 PM »

Quote from: billyb on February 03, 2019, 01:42:44 PM

Bairstow is great, he's my favourite England player, but his technique isn't tight enough to be a number 3. At the same time, who (other than Root's) is tight enough? He scored a great 100 there though in SL. Cook was also questioning Bairstow at 3 yesterday. I chose Buttler as Captain because he is the vice-captain, no other reason. Out of interest, who was the last bowler to hold the test captaincy for England? I wonder if there are other strong leaders in the group. Maybe Root is the only option? Who knows.

Yes Bairstow is one of our best even thou like the others his average is going down, there's no point throwing the baby out with the bath water, mostly we have the best players playing.

He's too high at 3, the best thing Root can do for this team is bat 3 himself, then the middle order players slot in and fit better.

Root is not a captain either not everyone who takes that on sees an upturn in their own batting, I don't think Root suits captaincy myself.England need Roots runs far more.

We need a least one dogged player in the top 6, that was Cook, might of been Hameed but not now.thats why I liked Stoneman myself- he seemed more defensive minded.

In the absence of much alternative I wonder if we will approach Cook to reconsider? Even if it's only for 12 months...

Is that an option I wonder?

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #715 on:** February 03, 2019, 01:52:11 PM »

Quote from: six and out on February 03, 2019, 12:54:28 PM

it's conceivable that the guys that play white ball won't hit another red ball after the Windies tour till the Ireland test!!!

Yes, it was those players I was talking about. Our so-called 'best' players. Can't believe you went to all that trouble!

billyb · « **Reply #716 on:** February 03, 2019, 01:55:51 PM »

Cook had his perfect farewell, he can't come back now!

What a test series from the West Indies though. Pure heart, fire and belief. How much better is cricket with a strong West Indies? Long may it continue.

six and out · « **Reply #717 on:** February 03, 2019, 02:12:03 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on February 03, 2019, 01:52:11 PM

Yes, it was those players I was talking about. Our so-called 'best' players. Can't believe you went to all that trouble!

It was more to also show that because of the World Cup there are quite a few CC games for someone to stick their hand up if they put runs on the board. Rather than only the usual CC fixtures in April before the May test series.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #718 on:** February 03, 2019, 02:25:29 PM »

Quote from: six and out on February 03, 2019, 02:12:03 PM

It was more to also show that because of the World Cup there are quite a few CC games for someone to stick their hand up if they put runs on the board. Rather than only the usual CC fixtures in April before the May test series.

The likes of Root, Bairstow, Buttler and Stokes don't seem to be putting their hands up very often at the moment?

We've tried half of the top order batsmen in county cricket.
What reason do we have to believe any of the other half will fare any better as novices?

six and out · « **Reply #719 on:** February 03, 2019, 02:49:22 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on February 03, 2019, 02:25:29 PM

The likes of Root, Bairstow, Buttler and Stokes don't seem to be putting their hands up very often at the moment?

We've tried half of the top order batsmen in county cricket.
What reason do we have to believe any of the other half will fare any better as novices?

None whatsoever too be honest with you. But that's not my job, that's Ed Smith's.

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