Topic: England tour of West Indies (Read 147682 times)

Kulli · « **Reply #810 on:** February 09, 2019, 08:46:22 AM »

Is the issue really that they got the original squad wrong and that Denly and Wood don�t really offer good alternative options?

FattusCattus · « **Reply #811 on:** February 09, 2019, 08:47:14 AM »

Quote from: six and out on February 08, 2019, 08:25:35 PM

The situation wonderfully summed up by George Dobell....

"Had talk at the Darren Sammy ground in St Lucia been of miners' strikes, war in the Falklands and the plotline of Neighbours, the sense could not have been clearer: England are back in the 1980s."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25953448/jennings-foakes-england-chaos-two-tests-ashes?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Gosh that is a good article. That should be read aloud to the captain, coaches and selectors at a press conference.

The team needs a strong character to come in, chose the right squad, pick the best XI and influence the required style of play.

It seems we are a million miles from that!

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #812 on:** February 09, 2019, 09:29:30 AM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on January 24, 2019, 09:24:45 AM

It isn't really although Foakes is the best gloveman in this Englad team your a batsman first To retain his place he has to keep scoring runs or become a top six batter.

Predicted

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #813 on:** February 09, 2019, 10:17:56 AM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on February 09, 2019, 09:29:30 AM

Predicted

The issue is he has been scoring runs...

In fact, he's England's 5th highest scorer for the tour, not bad for a no.8. Admittedly this isn't a lot of runs, but nobody has scored heavily for England this tour.

He's also looked more assured than any of the "batsmen" ahead of him too. As @Bats_Entertainment said if you had to pick someone from the England side to bat for your life you'd chose him ahead of any of the top order. (I'd also accept the inevitable and call my loved ones to say goodbye if I was relying on the current shower of (No Swearing Please)...)

He's not been dropped on cricketing grounds at all. Joey's mate Jonny wants the gloves, and what Joey's mates want they get!

All this tour has proved is that you can't make a side of one day players and bit part "all rounders" into a quality test match side. It's time to pension off Bayliss, sack Root as captain and start from scratch, selecting your best players - not the captain and coaches favourite. If you do this Foakes will be one of the first names on the teamsheet!

dt-second-hand-cricket · « **Reply #814 on:** February 09, 2019, 10:42:52 AM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on February 09, 2019, 10:17:56 AM

He's not been dropped on cricketing grounds at all. Joey's mate Jonny wants the gloves, and what Joey's mates want they get!

It's time to pension off Bayliss, sack Root as captain and start from scratch, selecting your best players - not the captain and coaches favourite.

this does seem the issue in a nutshell, its like a poorly run club side, where if you are part of the 'clique' it is all good - if you are out of it - you're screwed - how the ECB can let the England team be run like this is unbelievable

Manormanic · « **Reply #815 on:** February 09, 2019, 10:47:48 AM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on February 09, 2019, 10:17:56 AM

He's not been dropped on cricketing grounds at all. Joey's mate Jonny wants the gloves, and what Joey's mates want they get!

Interesting how this has been distilled on here into Foakes vs Bairstow, which is plain wrong. If Root was picking his mates, Gary Ballance and probably Alex Lees would be in the England side ahead of Bairstow!

jonny77 · « **Reply #816 on:** February 09, 2019, 11:00:33 AM »

For some reason Bairstow is being made a scapegoat here, not sure why when he top scored in the last test? Foakes hasn't been dropped because Bairstow wants the gloves back, it's the balance of the side (not that i ageee with it). However I'm not sure anyone can say Foakes is a better bat than Bairstow or Butler, but that's not the issue. The issue is you could certainly argue he deserves a place ahead of Jennings, so you could keep Denly opening with Barstow 3 and Foakes keeping. However dropping Foakes for Jennings is not Bairstow or Butlers fault.

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #817 on:** February 09, 2019, 11:29:57 AM »

If we're looking at it on run scoring alone what has Butter done this tour?
The same as Foakes without the second role in the side.

Bairstow isn't a no.3, this isn't even a debate. Denly isn't an opener, he bats no.3 (albeit in div 2). Jennings isn't a cricketer, someone should buy him some darts or something...

Whole I get this "balance of the side" argument isn't this down to the selectors choosing the wrong personnel for the squad and then trying to cobble together a side from what they've left themselves with..

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #818 on:** February 09, 2019, 11:54:01 AM »

Quote from: jonny77 on February 09, 2019, 11:00:33 AM

For some reason Bairstow is being made a scapegoat here, not sure why when he top scored in the last test?

Because Bairstow averages 32 since the start of 2017. Furthermore aside from 2016 where his purple patch occurred, averaging 59, for the remainder of his career he averages 30.

So is an average of 30 really �balancing the side�?

six and out · « **Reply #819 on:** February 09, 2019, 12:04:11 PM »

Selection for this whole tour has been a right (No Swearing Please) up from the off.

1. Spare batsman not an opener when that was always going to be the problem position.
2. Spare bowlers all injured before the tour even really started!
3. Selecting Rashid when he was always going to leave to be with his wife for the birth of his kid.

And that was just squad selection, let alone what's happened in selection for the matches!

Manormanic · « **Reply #820 on:** February 09, 2019, 12:51:43 PM »

As I said yesterday, there is very little about this that makes sense. The line that has been given is that it is a waste having a specialist keeper batting at eight, but the team is weaker with Jennings in for Foakes, so why not look at any of a number of other solutions such as, well, swapping Foakes and Ali in the order?

It makes no sense to me. If there really was a desire to move Bairstow - odd given that he has done better than any other number 3 and the series has gone - then I'm sure Foakes would have happily agreed to give keeping and batting three a go, and if not then surely Buttler should have been the one in the frame.

Then again, none of this series has made sense - it seems that Ed Smith's run of crazy ideas has hit a bit of an impasse. We need really to look forward to the Ashes and ask how many players we have pencilled in for our strongest XI. I reckon there are seven names pretty much pencilled in, plus one more who probably should be - they being Burns (has to be given a run, looks like he might be good enough) Root (captain) Bairstow (most dangerous bat, should be given a long run at five), Stokes (legend) Anderson (legend) Broad (the Aussies hate him, and he tries harder now he isn't nailed on) and Archer, plus Foakes as the should be. That leaves us three slots:

Burns
X
X
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Foakes
X
Archer
Broad
Anderson

six and out · « **Reply #821 on:** February 09, 2019, 01:15:41 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on February 09, 2019, 12:51:43 PM

As I said yesterday, there is very little about this that makes sense. The line that has been given is that it is a waste having a specialist keeper batting at eight, but the team is weaker with Jennings in for Foakes, so why not look at any of a number of other solutions such as, well, swapping Foakes and Ali in the order?

It makes no sense to me. If there really was a desire to move Bairstow - odd given that he has done better than any other number 3 and the series has gone - then I'm sure Foakes would have happily agreed to give keeping and batting three a go, and if not then surely Buttler should have been the one in the frame.

Then again, none of this series has made sense - it seems that Ed Smith's run of crazy ideas has hit a bit of an impasse. We need really to look forward to the Ashes and ask how many players we have pencilled in for our strongest XI. I reckon there are seven names pretty much pencilled in, plus one more who probably should be - they being Burns (has to be given a run, looks like he might be good enough) Root (captain) Bairstow (most dangerous bat, should be given a long run at five), Stokes (legend) Anderson (legend) Broad (the Aussies hate him, and he tries harder now he isn't nailed on) and Archer, plus Foakes as the should be. That leaves us three slots:

Burns
X
X
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Foakes
X
Archer
Broad
Anderson

It's very interesting what will happen after this because there is only the Ireland test before the Ashes and I can't see that really changing anything.

So are they going to go on CC form throughout the summer for the possible places? The white ball guys are going to be playing no CC cricket before the Ireland test anyway because of the World Cup.

Manormanic · « **Reply #822 on:** February 09, 2019, 01:32:53 PM »

Quote from: six and out on February 09, 2019, 01:15:41 PM

It's very interesting what will happen after this because there is only the Ireland test before the Ashes and I can't see that really changing anything.

So are they going to go on CC form throughout the summer for the possible places? The white ball guys are going to be playing no CC cricket before the Ireland test anyway because of the World Cup.

It is in part the absence of other opportunity that leads me to pencil in so many names after such a poor series - the eight names I've listed are either proven performers within the success levels of this team or, in Jofra Archer, potential game changers. I think the three places that this leaves up for grabs is sufficient for Championship form - though it would be very interesting if, for example, another guy who is a specialist five were to make bucket loads of runs.

jonny77 · « **Reply #823 on:** February 09, 2019, 01:34:18 PM »

Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on February 09, 2019, 11:54:01 AM

Because Bairstow averages 32 since the start of 2017. Furthermore aside from 2016 where his purple patch occurred, averaging 59, for the remainder of his career he averages 30.

So is an average of 30 really �balancing the side�?

I agree, I wouldn't drop Foakes but I also wouldn't make Barstow the scapegoat either. Not sure you can go purely on averages, surely being top run scorer so far in the series should entitle you to retain your place? I'd have played Foakes as keeper instead of Jennings, kept the order as it was but maybe moved Foakes ahead of Ali. However I think this was the selectors idea of 'balance'.

The selection of Jennings is the squad is showing to be a poor one as we have no other options to come in uo the order, which is where we're struggling.

six and out · « **Reply #824 on:** February 09, 2019, 01:38:29 PM »

Stokes fit to play and bowl so no Curran.

Paul in for WI

WI win the toss and will bowl

How many we getting???

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