Topic: Expensive bats that never (Read 13555 times)

AJ2014 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 07, 2019, 05:04:29 PM »

There were 3 youngsters with their new bats at yesterday's indoor nets,
1 gm noir 808, 2.11lb
1 gm diamond original, 2.9lb
1 other make, lower middle, for me that felt heavy for 2.9lb
But all there different profiles

AJ2014 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 07, 2019, 05:18:55 PM »

There were few things I was thinking about those young batters,
The one who chose gm diamond, as he's an opener, right profile and lighter bat, as he had been using 2.11lb, which I thought was heavy, at that time
2.9lb with lower middle, plays for 1st and 2nd XIs, at no.10 or 11, as he scored few runs last year, I wondered why he chose for this profile?
Other with noir 808, he's an aggressive batter and doesn't matter where bats, and plays a lot of his shots in the air, skyers, I thought mid high profile would be more suitable to him game, but he thinks differently,
What's you guys think of this?

edge · « **Reply #47 on:** March 07, 2019, 06:11:06 PM »

@AJ2014 profile choice purely depends on where you hit the ball and how you like to bat - no reason an aggressive player should have a higher middle.

I was wondering when @InternalTraining would arrive... let's be honest, there's only one valid reason to choose a bat with a bow, which is "I like bats with a bow". It's a good reason, but there aren't any other ones!

InternalTraining · « **Reply #48 on:** March 07, 2019, 06:43:34 PM »

^

Only reason people prefer flat bats is tradition and the sport of Cricket of full of useless traditions.

All Kranzies are bowed. Why is that?

All Keeleys are bowed. Why is that? Their pros use bowed bats too. Why is that? Keeley pressed bats are as good as they get and yet others ( for instance, "performance free") can only press flat/straight bats. Things that make you go hmmmmm...

KW9221 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 07, 2019, 06:47:56 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on March 07, 2019, 05:03:54 PM

Flat, no bow, bats are garbage. There, I said it.

Today's biggest hitters use bowed bats. I own a bat that was made for Chris Lynn and not only does it have a huge bow but also has the most aggressively forward set handle I had ever seen!

I tried using flat bats but don't get the elevation for clearing the rope. If you only on a fast outfield and like hitting the ball on ground, sure, use a flat bed. They are great for boring style of cricket which is already going out of style.

That is just your opinion. Most past greats didn�t use any bats like how we use today. They had bats which were flat with mostly 20 mm edges and 45 mm spine. They still score centuries, hit huge sixes and batted on bigger boundaries. As a player, you should be able to adopt to any condition and any equipments.

I have often seen people blaming their bats for pre calculated/mistimed shots. They also blame their bats for getting bowled, LBWs or stump. How is it bat fault if you don�t know how to use your bats?

InternalTraining · « **Reply #50 on:** March 07, 2019, 06:51:06 PM »

Quote from: KW9221 on March 07, 2019, 06:47:56 PM

They still score centuries, hit huge sixes and batted on bigger boundaries. As a player, you should be able to adopt to any condition and any equipments.

First of all, the number of sixes that are hit today far exceeds the number of sixes that were hit in the past. There is no comparison!

Second, even if the boundaries are shorter, the balls are landing much further out as in those sixes would be considered sixes anywhere. Fitness levels are better but so are the bats.

Bringing up the past is basically , again, singing the "tradition is good" song.

Old bats v/s new bats, c'mon.

There is no comparison.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #51 on:** March 07, 2019, 06:52:36 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOlaSVoGVrw

KW9221 · « **Reply #52 on:** March 07, 2019, 06:58:47 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on March 07, 2019, 06:51:06 PM

First of all, the number of sixes that are hit today far exceeds the number of sixes that were hit in the past. There is no comparison!

Second, even if the boundaries are shorter, the balls are landing much further out as in those sixes would be considered sixes anywhere. Fitness levels are better but so are the bats.

Bringing up the past is basically , again, singing the "tradition is good" song.

Old bats v/s new bats, c'mon. There is no comparison.

As far as number of sixes are concerned, the balance between bowling and batting is simply one sided. Cricket has become batsman sport unlike before. Also, please show me the comparison of sixes between test and ODI/test. Your comparison is flawed when it comes to number of sixes.

Bow is just psychological! You either have it or you don�t as a player. Bow wouldn�t make you any better.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #53 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:08:14 PM »

Quote from: KW9221 on March 07, 2019, 06:58:47 PM

Also, please show me the comparison of sixes between test and ODI/test. Your comparison is flawed when it comes to number of sixes.

Here is a quick search. Top 5 six hitters are all modern batsman with modern bats.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283122.html

Viv used a bowed bat.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #54 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:09:14 PM »

Can someone with experience in Statsguru search for number of 6s hit in the 80, 90, and 2000s. Thanks.

ppccopener · « **Reply #55 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:23:52 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on March 07, 2019, 07:08:14 PM

Here is a quick search. Top 5 six hitters are all modern batsman with modern bats.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283122.html

Viv used a bowed bat.

Love to see photographic evidence of Viv using a bowed bat, the one of his in the Lords museum is flat, as in dead flat.

AJ2014 · « **Reply #56 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:27:34 PM »

Today, batsmen, even in lower leagues hit huge 6s and they keep doing that in one innings, obviously it depends on many things, one of them is having a bat that gives you confidence that if you go for a big shot, you're likely to achieve max results

AJ2014 · « **Reply #57 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:31:28 PM »

More importantly in 70s and 80s, most of the bats were flat, if I remember correctly gm diamond was a bit bowed, while many of Asian brands were more bowed, think CA started that trend.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #58 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:37:26 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on March 07, 2019, 07:23:52 PM

Love to see photographic evidence of Viv using a bowed bat, the one of his in the Lords museum is flat, as in dead flat.

For Viv, I'd make that exception. He could do it with a flat bat. He could do it with a swimming pool noodle if he wanted. Viv was the man!

jamesisapayne · « **Reply #59 on:** March 07, 2019, 07:56:49 PM »

To be fair almost all of the top 10 are players who had a very aggressive game and an attacking mindset to hit 6s in test matches, thats more than half the battle.

99% of the players before the mid/late 90s didn't have the same mindset so the numbers are bound to be lower.

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