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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2021, 07:02:28 PM »

Rafiq has said it’s not the use of one word by a player that is the issue, it’s the wider issues.

There will be calls for a scapegoat and Ballance is in the firing line.

The real problems are deeper than one player being disciplined or even sacked.

I really hope Ballance keeps his job, he’s apologised for the words he used,at least he has been honest.

Unlike those that frustrated or did not cooperate with the report.
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2021, 08:33:43 PM »

Well Balance was highly unlikely to have ever been selected by England again anyway but at least he has come forward and stated he made a mistake, I have no doubt that a lot of this was meant in jest and that Rafik no doubt also used terms and language that would be deemed inappropriate. However there in my opinion are varying forms of “not appropriate” and the P word is one that I struggle to understand being used in jest.

The bigger issue is how on earth Yorkshire CCC can just brush all this off and take basically no responsibility what’s so ever, the measures instigated by the ECB basically mean the whole board and those that run the club needs to go and so they all should, Yorkshire can’t survive without the money from international matches and will very quickly become like all other non test match counties and to make the matter worse which brand is going to be associated with them if the board remain in place.

Also expect Mr Ballance to be using non branded kit if he continues to play professional cricket as I would not want anyone associated with this kind of back story using my brand kit, can’t imagine Kippax wanting this either.
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2021, 08:40:19 PM »

Nike have pulled out now….they are ending their kit deal with Yorkshire
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2021, 08:45:00 PM »

I have no sympathy whatsoever. I know of a local club to me that folded rather than deal with issues... and up the chain it was swept under the  carpet. That was 5 years ago.

There's clearly some issues at grass roots.

Feel for all decent folks involved... but I'm leaving towards top down..
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2021, 08:47:59 PM »

The land is shifting pretty quick on this  and how’s it been dealt with.

With the latest withdrawal of international matches plus sponsors leaving immeadiatley you wonder if York’s CC can financially survive?

If they cannot does that mean a handout from the ECB and therefore a new make up of the club…with the ECB actually appointing people to restructure
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2021, 08:50:46 PM »

I have no sympathy whatsoever. I know of a local club to me that folded rather than deal with issues... and up the chain it was swept under the  carpet. That was 5 years ago.

There's clearly some issues at grass roots.

Feel for all decent folks involved... but I'm leaving towards top down..

I think a lot of us think exactly the same.
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2021, 09:07:42 PM »

Not seen a statement from Kippax yet. But when it comes it's sure to be poorly capitalised.
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2021, 09:31:29 PM »

Not seen a statement from Kippax yet. But when it comes it's sure to be poorly capitalised.
Unfortunate that this is  being discussed under the Kippax section when it should really have been a new thread...

But yes plain bats maybe on order...
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2021, 10:31:58 PM »

After giving this much thought..

Yorkshire should be forced to hold the PSL and be the home ground for Pakistan... with none of the proceeds going to them..

* I'll grab my coat on the way out..*  :D
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2021, 10:43:40 PM »

Blimey,this is unravelling fast. Vaughan has his say:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59170256
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2021, 11:26:14 PM »

Unfortunate that this is  being discussed under the Kippax section when it should really have been a new thread...

But yes plain bats maybe on order...


And I think that is why ultimately sponsors pull out.  Association with something that they don't wish to be associated with.
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2021, 11:47:34 PM »

As a practicing employment lawyer, would you class the waiting of over 10 years to raise something reasonable? At the time, he wasn’t even employed, therefore the grievance policy wouldn’t even apply. Unless the county had something specific in their policy, they could have ignored his complaints, from an employment point of view.

The ECB ban seems a little pointless as I doubt he would have been in contention anytime soon.

If a client came to me saying that there were reports of institutionalised racism within their organisation and asked for advice as to whether they should i. Investigate those reports without delay and take appropriate action against anyone found to have acted inappropriately or ii. Ignore the matter because it didn't fall under the grievance policy and hope that it all goes away, I would be advising them to take the first course of action
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2021, 09:20:43 AM »

After giving this much thought..

Yorkshire should be forced to hold the PSL and be the home ground for Pakistan... with none of the proceeds going to them..

* I'll grab my coat on the way out..*  :D

No, they shouldn't.
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2021, 09:25:50 AM »

If a client came to me saying that there were reports of institutionalised racism within their organisation and asked for advice as to whether they should i. Investigate those reports without delay and take appropriate action against anyone found to have acted inappropriately or ii. Ignore the matter because it didn't fall under the grievance policy and hope that it all goes away, I would be advising them to take the first course of action

With a very long sentence, presumably. ;)
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Re: Gary Ballance
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2021, 10:15:07 AM »

Double standards from ECB here - What Ballance and Ollie Robinson said may have been similar. Couple games ban for one, lifetime England ban for the other.

Partly to do with talent/lack of fast bowlers perhaps but certainly doesn't make it right

One holds hands up and admits faults, other doesn't but will be in the Ashes!
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