Topic: The Mankad - opinions? (Read 35422 times)

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #150 on:** March 15, 2019, 04:46:38 PM »

Let the batsman know the bowler is watching tell him to knock the bails off with the batsman out of his crease but don't appeal.
If the batter still advances after that knock the bails off and appeal no excuses he's had his warning and still trying it on.

LateBloomer · « **Reply #151 on:** March 15, 2019, 09:47:10 PM »

Quote from: mo_town on March 15, 2019, 04:38:10 PM

Better still if the leagues declare it as an acceptable form of dismissal to avoid any controversy. Mankad rule applies, so back up at your own risk. Period.

Our league pretty much did this on their website before the 2018 season with a reminder that the wording had changed. As I said previously we only experienced one in the T20 cup but Id be interested to know how many occurred over the season

Chompy9760 · « **Reply #152 on:** May 01, 2019, 01:08:26 PM »

Hi, it's been a while since the end of our season, but I mentioned somewhere that I'd report how it panned out.

I had a discussion with the team at training about the Mankad. I'd taught them all to back up correctly previously, and I don't think any of them were aware at the time, when the one opposition batsman in particular was taking advantage. Told them about warnings, how to correctly execute a Mankad. My stance on warnings at the time was to clearly warn the opposition coach before the match, and let him deal with the information as he saw fit. I think it was only a couple weeks later the Buttler/Ashwin debacle popped up, so it was quite topical at the time!

As it turned out, we never met either team with the players with 'questionable' backing up, so the issue didn't come up, but it will still be there waiting for us next year.
As some of you have suggested, I think I'll clarify things at the Association pre season meeting, and see what happens from there.

Again, thanks to everyone for your contributions to what I thought was a healthy discussion.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #153 on:** May 01, 2019, 01:31:17 PM »

2 games into my season and already had someone try and do an Ashwin without a warning to the batter, lots of laughing as the batter at the bowlers end was level with the umpire at the time lol.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #154 on:** May 01, 2019, 05:55:41 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on May 01, 2019, 01:31:17 PM

2 games into my season and already had someone try and do an Ashwin without a warning to the batter, lots of laughing as the batter at the bowlers end was level with the umpire at the time lol.

No attempts in 5 games as yet but 5 warnings as batsmen are still leaving their crease early (both our side and oppos). It seems to make a difference as some people are not stealing yards as it�s becoming clear you can be run out

Chompy9760 · « **Reply #155 on:** October 26, 2021, 10:53:01 PM »

So two years on, we met the offending team again and had our first mankad.

I was up the other end umpiring and immediately noticed the batsman well out of his ground every ball, but said nothing to the bowler. Next over my son was bowling up the other end, and after a couple balls he noticed what was going on, and correctly executed the run-out as he ran through the crease. The opposition coach was umpiring up the other end and had no idea what was going on or what to do, so I told him that the batsman was out, but that this time we'd regard it as a warning, and that there wouldn't be another one.

In hindsight I think I should have sent him on his way, rather than perpetuate the outdated view that it's unsporting to run out the batter in this manner, when they are taking an advantage.

I brought this topic up at the association meeting two years ago, and the view was that it was fine, and kids would learn pretty quick. So it was a surprise to myself that when the time came, I found myself making it a warning instead of a dismissal!

Warneymonster · « **Reply #156 on:** October 27, 2021, 08:18:15 AM »

you did the right thing, as a captain i wouldnt ever feel comfortable with getting someone out this way. it might be within the rules but its one i dont think will ever be agreed on so should be scrapped

Butterfingerz · « **Reply #157 on:** October 27, 2021, 10:11:25 AM »

Sorry but I find Mankad'ing very unsporting however so is taking too much advantage by the batter. To me the umpire whether it be a League or team umpire needs to warn the batter. After the second warning 5 penalty runs are awarded. This will not only stop this act from happening and no doubt creating many an argument on field but will then stop the batter taking advantage just as quick.

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #158 on:** October 27, 2021, 03:40:54 PM »

Sport can't be run with rules such as "issue only if if non striker taking too much advantage" etc. How much is too much? Either allow or not, rule needs to be clear. Calling someone who does mankading unsportsmanlike (when following the law) and no blame on the one stealing a run (going against the law) is hypocritical.

suraj · « **Reply #159 on:** October 28, 2021, 06:50:24 AM »

I'm very much the Schumacher fan regarding interpreting laws of the sport. If it says it's allowed, it IS allowed. Doesn't matter who moans after you've chosen to sit out your stop and go penalty in the last lap and if that happens to be that your garage is behind the finishing line, then so be it. Same here, it really does not matter at all how many cricketers get worked up by me running a dude out who's taking 1-2m advantage at the non strikers end. If I can't bowl from there, you can't run from there. Period.

edge · « **Reply #160 on:** October 28, 2021, 08:25:26 AM »

I've never understood why anyone would consider it to be unsporting to run a batsman out.

SD · « **Reply #161 on:** October 28, 2021, 10:08:13 AM »

I would put Mankading up there with appealing for a batsman to be timed out. You are permitted to do it but it isn't the way I think the game should be played. One could argue that anything goes at at the professional level of the game but I am fairly appalled to see the practice gaining more traction in junior cricket

Warneymonster · « **Reply #162 on:** October 28, 2021, 10:25:46 AM »

if it were backing up miles then surely the best solution is to call it a dot ball (or wicket if the striker is out) no matter where the ball is hit. if the bowler over steps its is a no ball but they arent removed from the innings completely.

In amateur cricket the rule should be sponged, theres enough arguments and cheating umpires already.

ppccopener · « **Reply #163 on:** October 28, 2021, 01:06:35 PM »

The problem is this comes under the spirit of the game-a well used phrase that is open to interpretation with a multitude of moral variants from person to person. And is there such a thing as the spirit of the game anyway? Maybe it died out years ago.

Some people think it�s ok to dump your girlfriend and then start going out with her sister, others don�t

Personally I think an appeal only be made after a clear warning to the batsman that he knows and the umpire knows is clear-you�ve been warned-do it again and we will appeal and you will be out.

If I was coaching kids I would be very clear you must give a warning. Kids as we know copy what they see in the TV.
I would also be teaching them how to back up properly within the spirit of the game-whatever that is !

Amateur and youth cricket is getting more confrontational and mankading the oppo will only create more hostility.

Devondumpling00 · « **Reply #164 on:** October 28, 2021, 01:35:53 PM »

The act of mankad'ing is what is contentious to players. I think that because it is an eligible means of dismissal, its fair game to do it in a match. However, I think that as bowlers, we have a duty to inform the umpire and batsman backing up that I intend to mankad, because its so decisive and can lead to hostility.

I do believe that the fault lies with the batsman backing up though

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