Topic: The Mankad - opinions? (Read 32368 times)

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #60 on:** March 13, 2019, 07:58:48 PM »

Must say this win at all costs, parents only care about winning, umpires should be harsh on kids rubbish would be the final straw for me and my kids participating in cricket.
Yes our league cricket is played hard but mainly within the rules but for kids it�s about having fun and enjoying the game. Our kids colts cricket isn�t like this and fortunately neither are the kids teams our club plays.
In this Instance in kids cricket I would ensure a warning was given to the batter and if he/she ignored that I would speak to the captain/coach to have a word and if they still did it fair enough. But in kids cricket we really should encourage more spirit of the game as it�s become lost with sat /Sunday�s players thinking and acting like it�s a professional end of the world kind of importance to win at all costs.

JK Lewis · « **Reply #61 on:** March 13, 2019, 08:20:36 PM »

I'm a 'warning first' advocate, it's one of the spirit-of-the-game things I was taught as a kid. Similarly, I walk if I know I've nicked it, I let an oppo bowler know if he's close to no-balling and I've even halted an oppo bowler from running in if his captain has accidentally positioned 3 behind square. I just think there is honour in our game that transcends the winning, and that's something i feel is worth preserving.

But then, I just play Sunday 2s cricket, so it's not life or death!

JK Lewis · « **Reply #62 on:** March 13, 2019, 08:27:04 PM »

Quote from: strang on March 13, 2019, 06:51:52 PM

Where did the crazy name of this out come from?

Vinoo Mankad of India ran out Bill Brown of Australia in this way, on the 13th December 1947, at the test match in Sydney. He had given Brown a warning for backing up too far in a previous match on the tour. You can imagine the reaction in the Aussie press, but Bradman was ok with it.

SLA · « **Reply #63 on:** March 13, 2019, 08:35:36 PM »

Quote from: Byo on March 13, 2019, 06:01:41 PM

I have been coaching our youth teams for the last 7 seasons, and have only witnessed this a couple of times. Every match is played with the idea of every kid getting a go, and other coaches have the same philosophy.

Whilst the extra income is great, it is definitely not the main reason for running a youth section at my club (or others we play). It is run with the intention of keeping the club going in the future. Maybe we are lucky in Bristol that the majority of clubs have the same idea and all other places are win at all costs but I doubt it, and think you are making a bit of a generalisation.

In Cambridge, we get a mixture of both. Some coaches he have the right attitude, I see eye to eye to, and arrange additional friendlies. Others I'd rather never play against again.

I've seen some appalling things that you wouldn't believe in my time coaching kids cricket. Opposition parents sledging kids on their own team until they cry and collapse in a break in the pitch. Umpires physically intervening to make a 10 year old stand outside legstump so it was easier for his bowler to bowl him. Coaches laughing and encouraging county u13 bowlers to bowl beamers into the throat of a 9 year old playing their first ever game of cricket who I had to carry off the pitch.

SLA · « **Reply #64 on:** March 13, 2019, 08:41:29 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on March 13, 2019, 07:58:48 PM

Must say this win at all costs, parents only care about winning, umpires should be harsh on kids rubbish would be the final straw for me and my kids participating in cricket.
Yes our league cricket is played hard but mainly within the rules but for kids it�s about having fun and enjoying the game. Our kids colts cricket isn�t like this and fortunately neither are the kids teams our club plays.
In this Instance in kids cricket I would ensure a warning was given to the batter and if he/she ignored that I would speak to the captain/coach to have a word and if they still did it fair enough. But in kids cricket we really should encourage more spirit of the game as it�s become lost with sat /Sunday�s players thinking and acting like it�s a professional end of the world kind of importance to win at all costs.

Your cracking down on the wrong thing. There is absolutely nothing wrong with mankads, they are absolutely within the spirit of the game just as stumpings are. Crack down on sledging and obsession with personal scores over the team performance instead.

SD · « **Reply #65 on:** March 13, 2019, 08:44:01 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on March 13, 2019, 07:58:48 PM

Must say this win at all costs, parents only care about winning, umpires should be harsh on kids rubbish would be the final straw for me and my kids participating in cricket.
Yes our league cricket is played hard but mainly within the rules but for kids it�s about having fun and enjoying the game. Our kids colts cricket isn�t like this and fortunately neither are the kids teams our club plays.
In this Instance in kids cricket I would ensure a warning was given to the batter and if he/she ignored that I would speak to the captain/coach to have a word and if they still did it fair enough. But in kids cricket we really should encourage more spirit of the game as it�s become lost with sat /Sunday�s players thinking and acting like it�s a professional end of the world kind of importance to win at all costs.

I entirely agree with this. Sensible umpiring resolves most issues without having to ruin the spirit of the game and encourage unsporting behaviour. I gave up any involvement with football because of the way the game has gone. It would be very sad if cricket was to continue down that path

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #66 on:** March 13, 2019, 09:11:30 PM »

Quote from: SLA on March 13, 2019, 08:41:29 PM

Your cracking down on the wrong thing. There is absolutely nothing wrong with mankads, they are absolutely within the spirit of the game just as stumpings are. Crack down on sledging and obsession with personal scores over the team performance instead.

This

Sledging, verbals and win at all costs are what needs eradicating.. not mankad which is actually the batsmen stealing yards in the name of �backing up�

Kids stuff has a mix of teams playing to give a good game and a load who simply want to batter teams and claim titles. They forget at amateur and kids level it means bugger all

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #67 on:** March 13, 2019, 10:20:34 PM »

Quote from: SLA on March 13, 2019, 08:41:29 PM

Your cracking down on the wrong thing. There is absolutely nothing wrong with mankads, they are absolutely within the spirit of the game just as stumpings are. Crack down on sledging and obsession with personal scores over the team performance instead.

There is absolutely everything wrong with mankads in kids cricket without a warning. There is in my opinion the same on adult cricket without a warning but I wouldn�t be as angry if it happened in an adults game as in a kids game. Mankad is not within the spirit of the game either. It�s no different to fake fielding, bowling a Beamer or running down the middle of the wicket which have been banned or have very strict rules in regards to them.
I don�t know what you mean with �personal scores� but I agree with sledging in the sense of personal abuse or foul laungage aimed at a person.

strang · « **Reply #68 on:** March 14, 2019, 08:04:50 AM »

Quote from: JK Lewis on March 13, 2019, 08:27:04 PM

Vinoo Mankad of India ran out Bill Brown of Australia in this way, on the 13th December 1947, at the test match in Sydney. He had given Brown a warning for backing up too far in a previous match on the tour. You can imagine the reaction in the Aussie press, but Bradman was ok with it.

So no-one had tried it before Mankad? or was it not in the rules before this time?

SLA · « **Reply #69 on:** March 14, 2019, 08:37:31 AM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on March 13, 2019, 10:20:34 PM

There is absolutely everything wrong with mankads in kids cricket without a warning. There is in my opinion the same on adult cricket without a warning but I wouldn�t be as angry if it happened in an adults game as in a kids game. Mankad is not within the spirit of the game either. It�s no different to fake fielding, bowling a Beamer or running down the middle of the wicket which have been banned or have very strict rules in regards to them.
I don�t know what you mean with �personal scores� but I agree with sledging in the sense of personal abuse or foul laungage aimed at a person.

Do you feel the same about stumpings? What about the bowler tipping the ball onto the stumps to run out the non striker? If not, Why not. What's the difference, morally? Justify yourself, logically. Saying, it's convention, its tradition, its what I was taught etc is not good enough.

The mcc clarified this. A mankad is within both the spirit and the law and no different from a stumping. If you disagree, you're wrong, plain and simple.

JK Lewis · « **Reply #70 on:** March 14, 2019, 08:50:43 AM »

Quote from: strang on March 14, 2019, 08:04:50 AM

So no-one had tried it before Mankad? or was it not in the rules before this time?

It had been done before, for sure, but this was the highest profile incident I guess, the most widely reported. I think it gained notoriety as there was no warning given in the match in question. He'd warned Brown in the earlier tour match, so just ran him out in the test match. But most viewers didn't know this of course, so called it out as unsporting.

velvetsky01 · « **Reply #71 on:** March 14, 2019, 09:10:54 AM »

in our league last year we had a number of instances of people trying to do a Mankad - even remember a fast bowler doing so when he was about to bowl when i was umpiring!

We had around 5-6 instances so it is on the increase.

One of which appealed without warning and was given. Thankfully common sense won the day (However after alot of words) and he was allowed to continue to bat.

I think it was highlighted in the umpires course pre season regards to the batsman gaining an unfair advantage so many bowlers were trying it as the league backed them

All very poor show in my opinion esp without a warning. And in kids cricket it should not be encouraged unless as a friendly warning to the batsman.

strang · « **Reply #72 on:** March 14, 2019, 10:11:31 AM »

Quote from: JK Lewis on March 14, 2019, 08:50:43 AM

It had been done before, for sure, but this was the highest profile incident I guess, the most widely reported. I think it gained notoriety as there was no warning given in the match in question. He'd warned Brown in the earlier tour match, so just ran him out in the test match. But most viewers didn't know this of course, so called it out as unsporting.

And where is Mankad now?
Does he know we are still arguing passionately in his name?

Mfarank · « **Reply #73 on:** March 14, 2019, 10:47:02 AM »

My 2 cents, if its a practice game or a friendly then dont do it. Just warn the batsman. If its a league game or tournament game, u have every right to do it cause life aint fair. I would teach my kid the same.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #74 on:** March 14, 2019, 12:55:49 PM »

Quote from: SLA on March 14, 2019, 08:37:31 AM

Do you feel the same about stumpings? What about the bowler tipping the ball onto the stumps to run out the non striker? If not, Why not. What's the difference, morally? Justify yourself, logically. Saying, it's convention, its tradition, its what I was taught etc is not good enough.

The mcc clarified this. A mankad is within both the spirit and the law and no different from a stumping. If you disagree, you're wrong, plain and simple.

To me and in. My opinion the stumping is a legitimate dismissal and the Mankad isn�t purely on moral grounds without a warning. As i have said I think a warning should be given and then in kids cricket the coach should be spoken with by the umpire and the child spoken with again and if after this its still done then fine.
I have played for 20 years and played to a high level in premier league club and jnr county and never been �taught� to Mankad or seen others taught this either.
This main topic was about what someone should do in kids cricket and in my honest opinion to many people are treating kids cricket as win at all costs instead of taking a look back and thinking how this should be handled

I�m not wrong i just have a different opinion from you which to be honest is the case with most of your posts and rants but hey you seem to do a lot of things differently in the Cambridge league area from what you say.

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