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Warneymonster

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Re: The Mankad - opinions?
« Reply #165 on: October 28, 2021, 02:33:59 PM »

the fault does lie with the batsmen, but as a batsmen if i were an inch outside the crease by mistake i would be fuming. i also believe that its almost impossible for a bowler to fully start their action and mankad the batsmen without pausing - which in itself would it not make it a dead ball?
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Re: The Mankad - opinions?
« Reply #166 on: October 29, 2021, 07:25:03 AM »

They changed the law @Warneymonster, can be done during the delivery action now.

It's a tricky one, as a captain whilst I can see it being of annoyance to some - a rule is a rule. If you were stumped by an inch then it's no different to being mankadded by an inch, albeit one is more controversial due to not being as common in the game.
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Re: The Mankad - opinions?
« Reply #167 on: October 29, 2021, 07:39:41 AM »


the fault does lie with the batsmen, but as a batsmen if i were an inch outside the crease by mistake i would be fuming.   i also believe that its almost impossible for a bowler to fully start their action and mankad the batsmen without pausing - which in itself would it not make it a dead ball?

There is no requirement for the bowler to start their action.  The bowler can execute a run out as soon as the ball becomes live.  It only becomes a dead ball if the attempt is unsuccessful.

41.16 Non-striker leaving his/her ground early
41.16.1 If the non-striker is out of his/her ground at any time from the moment the ball
comes into play until the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to
release the ball, the non-striker is liable to be Run out. In these circumstances, the nonstriker
will be out Run out if he/she is out of his/her ground when his/her wicket is put down
by the bowler throwing the ball at the stumps or by the bowler’s hand holding the ball,
whether or not the ball is subsequently delivered.

If you're an inch out you're unlikely to be given out unless there is a replay available, which rules that out of most games.  If you're a foot out, it's easy for the ump to see, and you deserve to be given out.

It's the batter's job to make sure they are in their ground whenever the ball is live, and if they are not, it's the fielding side's job to run them out or stump them.  If you get out this way, it's because you made a mistake - exactly the same as being out caught, bowled LBW etc.
The more I think about it, the less problem I have with it.
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Re: The Mankad - opinions?
« Reply #168 on: October 29, 2021, 08:16:34 AM »

thats why i would put it in the same box as a noball, just have a runs penalty to the batter instead.

if one of my bowlers tries it in the league next season i will call the batter back, its not right as far as im concerned
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Re: The Mankad - opinions?
« Reply #169 on: October 29, 2021, 09:26:33 AM »

If you're dismissed to a mankad, then you should be buying a jug for your team mates for being a wally.  It was valid back in the 1940's and it's still a perfectly fine form of dismissal today.  Next the anti brigade will want the nickname changed to a 'personkad', call it whatever you want...it's still out.

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Re: The Mankad - opinions?
« Reply #170 on: October 31, 2021, 01:44:04 PM »

the fault does lie with the batsmen, but as a batsmen if i were an inch outside the crease by mistake i would be fuming. i also believe that its almost impossible for a bowler to fully start their action and mankad the batsmen without pausing - which in itself would it not make it a dead ball?
Why dead ball? You are then penalizing the bowler to bowl an extra ball for no fault of his. Also by mankading, bowler hasn't completed bowling anyway, so really even dead ball is like zero penalty for batting side.  I feel wicket is right one, since this is just like run out/stumping, no difference.  However if wicket is too much for many, then at least something along the lines of penalize 4 runs from batting team total would be right IMO. So you try to steal an extra run, you get penalized 4 runs - serves as a sufficient deterrent, particularly at the death when this will most likely be attempted.
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Re: The Mankad - opinions?
« Reply #171 on: October 31, 2021, 02:27:31 PM »

People have no issues when batsmen get stumped by a few mm, just because they momentarily dragged their foot out. No run is being attempted, and there is no attempt to come down the pitch either - it is unintentional. So why is this ok, but not a mankad?
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Re: The Mankad - opinions?
« Reply #172 on: October 31, 2021, 08:49:35 PM »

People have no issues when batsmen get stumped by a few mm, just because they momentarily dragged their foot out. No run is being attempted, and there is no attempt to come down the pitch either - it is unintentional. So why is this ok, but not a mankad?
Agree, in case of stumping, the batter didn't even try to take a run and could have even lost balance, still that is considered not ok while intentional stepping out and gaining advantage by non-striker is viewed as ok. Just needs a change of mindset.
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