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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #75 on: April 25, 2019, 07:44:53 AM »

My understanding is to play as late as possible, only on front foot if it's a full pitched,
other option is to stand way outside the crease,  only a very good keeper will dare to stand up
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #76 on: April 25, 2019, 07:47:27 AM »

I would love to know how you can lean into a shot with your shoulder but leaving your head behind.




Textbook batting technique there, pay close attention to the rotational transfer enabled by the hips.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #77 on: April 25, 2019, 08:03:28 AM »

That's a really daft comment that demonstrates nothing other than that your haven't actually read a single thing that has been explained to you.

please post a video of you leaning into a drive with your shoulder and your head remaining where is it.... its not possible
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #78 on: April 25, 2019, 08:16:33 AM »

please post a video of you leaning into a drive with your shoulder and your head remaining where is it.... its not possible

Hi Alex, I think you've made a typo, we were talking about "leading", not "leaning". Its a d, not an n.

You might lean into a shot with your shoulder (although don't overdo it) - but you do this AS you are moving your feet, not before you are moving your feet. Nothing should "lead" anything else - the front leg and upper body should move together. Leading with your head causes you to overbalance and lose control of your momentum at the vital moment, this is just as bad as the fatal error of only moving your foot and nothing else. Try to move forward whilst maintaining your balance and keeping your head and shoulders roughly level (whilst also aligning your shoulders with the position to expect to intercept the ball).


Looking back, its actually Buzz that made the initial mistake.

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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #79 on: April 25, 2019, 08:28:51 AM »

I can't agree with the idea that nothing should lead anything else, that isn't how our bodies work.
But it is clear we aren't going to agree.

I will leave this with the simple point that the movement of the heaviest part of your body causes the rest of your body to move. This is a well established principle.

If your move your foot at the same time as your head you have to make a second movement to push your weight forward from your back foot. This is fine.

But when you get a surprise short ball you will not be able to move.

Mistake is an interesting choice of word, but given the topple method has been successfully coached for over 100 years I would suggest there must be something in it, despite your dislike for it.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #80 on: April 25, 2019, 08:31:53 AM »

Hi Alex, I think you've made a typo, we were talking about "leading", not "leaning". Its a d, not an n.

You might lean into a shot with your shoulder (although don't overdo it) - but you do this AS you are moving your feet, not before you are moving your feet. Nothing should "lead" anything else - the front leg and upper body should move together. Leading with your head causes you to overbalance and lose control of your momentum at the vital moment, this is just as bad as the fatal error of only moving your foot and nothing else. Try to move forward whilst maintaining your balance and keeping your head and shoulders roughly level (whilst also aligning your shoulders with the position to expect to intercept the ball).


Looking back, its actually Buzz that made the initial mistake.

i disagree with this on a personal level as (as a few people on here will be able to confirm) i have a large issue where i back away from the ball, unless i really concentrate on leading (and leaning) and getting my head towards the ball, if im concentrating on that, my head goes first, followed by my feet (to stop me falling over) and then my shoulders and arm/bat come through the line almost simultaneously)

if im playing a clip off my legs again its effectively a straight bat shot, head toward ball, foot follows, arms and bat through the line, wrist "break" on impact to guide ball to leg.

off side, head first, feet follow, arms and bat through ball

back foot shots, head toward line of ball, feet follow arms and bat come through.

when i dont concentrate on getting my head to the ball it my feet both go to leg, head leans back wild swing and miss
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« Reply #81 on: April 25, 2019, 08:32:48 AM »

I will leave this with the simple point that the movement of the heaviest part of your body causes the rest of your body to move. This is a well established principle.

Hang on, am I messing up by not leading with my belly?
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« Reply #82 on: April 25, 2019, 08:34:03 AM »

@alexevo94 if you can get past the pages of pointless opinions by someone that believes they are gods gift to cricket and the coaching world I have a couple of tips that really helped me 3 seasons ago when I was having the same problem (8 of my 10 dismissals that season were LBW)

Firstly i opened my stance a little so i was slightly more front on and i moved my guard from 2 (middle and leg) to leg stump. I very side on before this but I found my front pad was not going down the wicket more across and over.

Secondly ensure your left eye, assuming your a Rh bat is looking down the line of your shoulder, this will aid with the bat path coming to meet the ball at a straighter angle and in your back light have bat straight, ie not high up angled towards 2nd or 3rd slip.

Third a very small trigger movement back and across leading with the back foot but keeping your weight going forward to meet the ball.

I found these really helped and I didn’t find i needed lots of coaches using words or phrases from text books or made up ones. I just found something that worked for me. Finally enjoy batting, so much of our troubles in in our minds and we obsess over the perfect shot or technique.
Good luck with it mate
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #83 on: April 25, 2019, 08:43:11 AM »

I can't agree with the idea that nothing should lead anything else, that isn't how our bodies work.
But it is clear we aren't going to agree.

I will leave this with the simple point that the movement of the heaviest part of your body causes the rest of your body to move. This is a well established principle.

If your move your foot at the same time as your head you have to make a second movement to push your weight forward from your back foot. This is fine.

But when you get a surprise short ball you will not be able to move.

Mistake is an interesting choice of word, but given the topple method has been successfully coached for over 100 years I would suggest there must be something in it, despite your dislike for it.

"I can't agree with the idea that nothing should lead anything else, that isn't how our bodies work."

I've no idea where you get these nonsensical ideas. Clearly its not a science textbook of any  sort. Normal people are perfectly capable of moving multiple body parts simultaneously, and there is nothing unusual or difficult about performing a lateral movement of centre of mass without leading with the head.

"the movement of the heaviest part of your body causes the rest of your body to move. This is a well established principle. "

The head isn't the heaviest part of your body though, this is just rampant nonsense. If your head is heavier than your leg, you have serious medical issues. and before you try to justify this nonsense with "oh well so and so said this", I can assure you I know that this myth is oft-repeated. Its still wrong.

"If your move your foot at the same time as your head you have to make a second movement to push your weight forward from your back foot."

No you don't. Again, I have no idea where you got this idea from. If you move your front leg/foot and upper body simultaneously, then your COM is also moving by definition. No second movement is necessary.

"But when you get a surprise short ball you will not be able to move. "

Why would you have moved at all before picking the length? We're talking about moving forward to address a full delivery, not pre-delivery movements. What on earth are you coaching? How is it possible that you're this confused about something so simple.

"the topple method has been successfully coached for over 100 years"

We thought the earth was flat for over 1000 years, it was still bullshit.


I would really recommend you put a moratorium on your coaching activities until you've taken the time to grasp some of the basic physical principles of biomechanics. If you're teaching this nonsense to students, you're doing them a serious disservice.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #84 on: April 25, 2019, 08:45:32 AM »

@alexevo94 if you can get past the pages of pointless opinions by someone that believes they are gods gift to cricket and the coaching world I have a couple of tips that really helped me 3 seasons ago when I was having the same problem (8 of my 10 dismissals that season were LBW)

Firstly i opened my stance a little so i was slightly more front on and i moved my guard from 2 (middle and leg) to leg stump. I very side on before this but I found my front pad was not going down the wicket more across and over.

Secondly ensure your left eye, assuming your a Rh bat is looking down the line of your shoulder, this will aid with the bat path coming to meet the ball at a straighter angle and in your back light have bat straight, ie not high up angled towards 2nd or 3rd slip.

Third a very small trigger movement back and across leading with the back foot but keeping your weight going forward to meet the ball.

I found these really helped and I didn’t find i needed lots of coaches using words or phrases from text books or made up ones. I just found something that worked for me. Finally enjoy batting, so much of our troubles in in our minds and we obsess over the perfect shot or technique.
Good luck with it mate

Yep, this is more or less what I did (Minus the trigger movement) and it worked pretty well.

Absolutely agree with forgetting about trying to get a perfect technique and just finding one that is right for you even if it looks different from everyone else.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #85 on: April 25, 2019, 08:46:17 AM »

i disagree with this on a personal level as (as a few people on here will be able to confirm) i have a large issue where i back away from the ball, unless i really concentrate on leading (and leaning) and getting my head towards the ball, if im concentrating on that, my head goes first, followed by my feet (to stop me falling over) and then my shoulders and arm/bat come through the line almost simultaneously)

if im playing a clip off my legs again its effectively a straight bat shot, head toward ball, foot follows, arms and bat through the line, wrist "break" on impact to guide ball to leg.

off side, head first, feet follow, arms and bat through ball

back foot shots, head toward line of ball, feet follow arms and bat come through.

when i dont concentrate on getting my head to the ball it my feet both go to leg, head leans back wild swing and miss


There are degrees of bad technique. Changing from no technique at all (backing away from the ball, wild swing with head in the air) to poor technique may lead to a small improvement in outcome, but it doesn't stop it being bad technique and bad advice.

You'd be better off getting some actual coaching advice from a competent coach.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #87 on: April 25, 2019, 08:54:16 AM »

I would love to know how you can lean into a shot with your shoulder but leaving your head behind.

Perhaps it's like "wobble seam"?
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #88 on: April 25, 2019, 09:13:39 AM »

A few practical ideas that don't involve completely overhauling your technique. In the interest of forum self preservation I must stress that these are just things I adhere to and help me, but they might help you.

1. Hit Balls, as many as you can. When everybody else goes in for a beverage after training, grab a mate and hit another 50 balls.

2. Watch videos. Monkey see monkey do, I think its extremely overlooked in coaching at club level, and you don't need a professional film crew or to even watch footage of yourself. Get on YouTube and watch videos of the pros, slow motion replays, I always went to videos of Mike Hussey. Just watch and identify what they do well.

3. Keep your head/eyes level. Whether you lead with it or not, if your eyes aren't level and your head isn't still, it's going to be hard to hit a moving target consistently.

4. Don't stress too much, you'll find a way. Simply you might just be over aware and over correcting. Trust your process, if it worked in the past it can work again. I think it was Matt Renshaw who had a shocking run of form that saw him lose his test spot because he couldn't buy a run in shield cricket, but was told to sing a song in his head while he was facing up, essentially clearing all the conflicting messages in his mind and letting the countless hours in the nets and muscle memory do their job.

Anywho, all the best.
There are lots of good points on this thread and some not so good ones, back yourself, trust your process and don't forget to enjoy it.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #89 on: April 25, 2019, 09:22:10 AM »


There are degrees of bad technique. Changing from no technique at all (backing away from the ball, wild swing with head in the air) to poor technique may lead to a small improvement in outcome, but it doesn't stop it being bad technique and bad advice.

You'd be better off getting some actual coaching advice from a competent coach.

i have and he concurred with @Buzz this lead to me having my best season last year
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