Topic: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS (Read 156248 times)

smilley792 · « **Reply #1545 on:** September 13, 2019, 05:04:48 PM »

6 for Jofra.

Good knuckle ball and a cracking catch from burns.

I�ll dmit I thought it was stokes as it went in there!

smilley792 · « **Reply #1546 on:** September 13, 2019, 05:17:50 PM »

3 balls of heat from Cummins to start.

Not one Aussie seemed itnersted burns took that to the grill and Cummins went back to his mark.

I wonder if this will be as a big a deal as when archer hit smith? Probably not.

shadowlight · « **Reply #1547 on:** September 13, 2019, 05:49:38 PM »

Well played England. Now please do not crash and burn tomorrow.

rickjames · « **Reply #1548 on:** September 13, 2019, 06:58:25 PM »

This is from Ed Smith in the FT

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His take on the difficulties opening stood out to me:

Many pundits believe that England�s top-order batsmen have failed against Australia because they couldn�t transition from the big hitting of one-day matches to slower Test cricket. Smith is sceptical. He allows that the �incredibly challenging� schedule may partly explain some batting failures. However, he emphasises another, largely overlooked factor: �The game has changed due to drainage,� he says.

Modern drains, he explains, mean pitches now dry unprecedentedly fast. That raises the risk of excessive dryness over a five-day Test, during which the ground staff aren�t allowed to water. Some ground staff therefore retain moisture in the pitch before the match. So the pitch can start green, which helps bowlers move the ball wickedly off the seam. Then the pitch dries out anyway, and becomes difficult in other ways. The consequence: top-order batting has got harder across five-day matches in England in recent seasons. None of the three men who opened the Australian batting in the first four Ashes Tests has averaged more than 11 this series.

England�s data analysts try to quantify the difficulty of a batsman�s innings by adjusting for the opponents and the context of the match. They calculate each player�s weighted batting average � as opposed to the headline averages that misled some past selectors.

Smith says: �Coming into the fourth Test, Joe Denly had a headline Test average of 24, and his weighted average is 46. That�s how hard it�s been out there.�

Drainage is the problem, lads. Drainage.

Kulli · « **Reply #1549 on:** September 13, 2019, 07:21:05 PM »

Wonder what Smiths adjusted average is...

A-Swing-And-A-Miss · « **Reply #1550 on:** September 13, 2019, 07:31:32 PM »

Quote from: rickjames on September 13, 2019, 06:58:25 PM

This is from Ed Smith in the FT

Drainage is the problem, lads. Drainage.

I do think he may be on to something. I know Cook said that his last few years opening in England were the toughest he ever dealt with.

Combine the challenges presented by these modern variable pitches with a wave of genuinely high class Fast bowlers that has developed across the world and you've got a real test for opening batsmen.

Kulli · « **Reply #1551 on:** September 13, 2019, 07:51:16 PM »

Surely all the more reason not to pick a white ball dasher to open the batting?

ppccopener · « **Reply #1552 on:** September 13, 2019, 07:58:40 PM »

I�m not sure the fast bowling is actually better now than it was a few years ago but def think Smith has a point and it�s worth considering.

That�s why I mostly stick up for openers in my comments, Denly especially as he has moved up to do a difficult job.

If you look at our openers compared to the Aussies we have done very well. Burns I think is a real find, the coaching manual has been torn up and he has proved he has real grit and stickability.

Not sure where that leaves Jason Roy, he had a hard job to do and a very good bowling attack to face.

Kulli · « **Reply #1553 on:** September 13, 2019, 08:07:04 PM »

I think it leaves him an a very good international white ball opener, and a middling county middle order red ball player.

Manormanic · « **Reply #1554 on:** September 13, 2019, 08:10:06 PM »

I'd buy the argument if we were adjusting a run or three but...

... Is it really harder than an uncovered pitch in the 60s, or a hooping 70s ball? Are Cummins and Hazelwood really better than Marshall and Ambrose, Roberts and Holding, Wasim and Waqar, Donald, De Villiers and Pollock, McGrath and Gillespie and so on?

I watched a fair amount of cricket over that period (apart from Roberts) and there is no competition. The likes of Gooch and Atherton didn't repeatedly nick off on sixth stump or get done through the gate. To quote a couple of names off the top of my head, I reckon we'd kill to have Marty. Moxon and Wayne Larkins now. Or Bill Athey, Rob Key, Tim Robinson...

ppccopener · « **Reply #1555 on:** September 13, 2019, 08:19:39 PM »

Quote from: Kulli on September 13, 2019, 08:07:04 PM

I think it leaves him an a very good international white ball opener, and a middling county middle order red ball player.

Yes but I suppose if he is/was going to have an impact it�s now a question of if he deserves more chances in the middle order.

This is the problem when players move down and not up, can�t disagree opening in five day cricket is a specialist position.

In my ideal top 7 he does not get in, I would keep Denly(3) and jettison Baistow. Pope would be in or in the squad.

Your point I think is our middle order is too crowded and totally agree.

Roy has an attacking game first, defence second...you can�t suceed that way round unless you are exceptional.

SD · « **Reply #1556 on:** September 13, 2019, 09:15:14 PM »

I have been unimpressed with the pitches we have prepared this summer and the way we have thrown away home advantage both against Ireland and Australia, but I do sympathise with the way the drainage systems suck moisture from the square.

This Oval pitch had enough moisture in it on day one to convince Tim Paine to bowl first but by the end of day two it is starting to dust over.

I am sure that a solution to seal off the square so that it retains moisture will be divised, but until then it is in our best interests to prepare wickets with moisture in them and so opening the batting in this country will remain difficult

Calzehbhoy · « **Reply #1557 on:** September 14, 2019, 11:47:08 AM »

Denly is never going to get a better chance to score a ton and book himself on the winter tours.

mr_reagan · « **Reply #1558 on:** September 14, 2019, 12:12:37 PM »

Its good to see Denly fighting hard for his place, im still not sold on him as an opener but maybe he will figure it out

mr_reagan · « **Reply #1559 on:** September 14, 2019, 03:32:57 PM »

So close to a 100 for Denly. I reckon he has done enough to get another run on the next tour

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