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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #330 on: December 02, 2019, 12:55:27 AM »
And there's a maiden test 50 for Ollie Pope.
Well batted lad, keep going!
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #331 on: December 02, 2019, 01:30:16 AM »
And now a double ton for Root

What a way to silence the critics
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #332 on: December 02, 2019, 01:36:46 AM »
Quote from: billyb on December 01, 2019, 11:43:11 PM

I just read that they might recall Jennings for Sri Lanka due to his record in Asia. Makes sense to me!

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Congratulation to Root for the double and Pope for his half century.  I hope England do not think about making Pope the new wicket keeper batsmen based on today's innings in SA and SL.

What are the chances of getting a result in the game?  If Root declares he will likely declare with about 10  to 15 overs left in the day and with 43 overs left (as I am writing), England is likely to be ahead by ~170 runs or so (3 runs for over for the next 37 overs).  I do not believe 175 is going to be enough of a scoreboard pressure for NZ.
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« Reply #333 on: December 02, 2019, 02:22:41 AM »
Urgh, good of Pope to do that for the team but would have liked him to get his 100. Would have removed any questions about this place in the side for a long time.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #334 on: December 02, 2019, 05:11:48 PM »
pleased for Root he got runs but more so for Pope, he is a serious talent and needs to bed in

as has been pointed out above Jennings heavily tipped for a recall for SL, this must be what Ed Smith referred to as 'horses for courses' selection

its a jamboree bag where players get picked based on their suitability for a tour. A bit like a computer game, so Jennings plays spin well, he gets picked on turning tracks, so and so plays pace well, he gets picked for Australia

how that helps players settle in to the highest form of the game is beyond me. Burns may not play spin that well, what do we do leave him out in the sub continent?

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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #335 on: December 02, 2019, 06:22:35 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on December 02, 2019, 05:11:48 PM
pleased for Root he got runs but more so for Pope, he is a serious talent and needs to bed in

as has been pointed out above Jennings heavily tipped for a recall for SL, this must be what Ed Smith referred to as 'horses for courses' selection

its a jamboree bag where players get picked based on their suitability for a tour. A bit like a computer game, so Jennings plays spin well, he gets picked on turning tracks, so and so plays pace well, he gets picked for Australia

how that helps players settle in to the highest form of the game is beyond me. Burns may not play spin that well, what do we do leave him out in the sub continent?

Burns debuted in Sri lanka, did ok couple of 50s

I'd give him the tour

Could be Jennings at 3 or as the spare
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #336 on: December 02, 2019, 07:00:43 PM »
Blimey. I’m amazed some want Jennings back. He got worked out almost as quick at international level as Ballance did. Some players just aren’t up to it for the long term, and my feeling is that Jennings is one of them. He went away to work on his game, came back, and had exactly the same issues again. I don’t think I’d give him a 3rd bite of the cherry.

Then again, you never know what Ed Bloody Smith is thinking. Wouldn’t be surprised if he included Jennings, Ballance AND Sam Robson for good measure. The selection policy is a total mess, and it’s entirely of his doing.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #337 on: December 02, 2019, 07:08:01 PM »
Quote from: SouthpawMark on December 02, 2019, 07:00:43 PM
Blimey. I’m amazed some want Jennings back. He got worked out almost as quick at international level as Ballance did. Some players just aren’t up to it for the long term, and my feeling is that Jennings is one of them. He went away to work on his game, came back, and had exactly the same issues again. I don’t think I’d give him a 3rd bite of the cherry.

Then again, you never know what Ed Bloody Smith is thinking. Wouldn’t be surprised if he included Jennings, Ballance AND Sam Robson for good measure. The selection policy is a total mess, and it’s entirely of his doing.

I'm not sure anyone wants him back long term, but the point is that he is a run scorer in Asia, so it makes sense for him to be around the squad at least and ready to go if needed.

I'll defend Ballance until the end of time though, he has a genuinely very good record in an England shirt- I think only Root averages more in the past few years. 37.5 or something? But he's unlikely to get back in I guess.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #338 on: December 02, 2019, 07:16:33 PM »
Quote from: billyb on December 02, 2019, 07:08:01 PM
I'm not sure anyone wants him back long term, but the point is that he is a run scorer in Asia, so it makes sense for him to be around the squad at least and ready to go if needed.

I'll defend Ballance until the end of time though, he has a genuinely very good record in an England shirt- I think only Root averages more in the past few years. 37.5 or something? But he's unlikely to get back in I guess.

I love Gazza as a Yorkshireman, but I can see why he is thought by the selectors to be less than the sum of his stats.  Horses for courses works, sorta, in selections like Jennings in Sri Lanka, Malan in Australia or Bairstow any time I feel the need to wind the haters on here up.  But you can't have a horses for courses selection for conditions where its pan flat and the opposition have noone over 82mph...
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #339 on: December 02, 2019, 07:23:30 PM »
So on that basis of selection I assume Foakes comes into selection for Sri Lanka!
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #340 on: December 02, 2019, 07:36:25 PM »
Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on December 02, 2019, 07:23:30 PM
So on that basis of selection I assume Foakes comes into selection for Sri Lanka!

Yes! Which would please a lot us of....the point is thou much as I want to love England and all we do I’m losing a bit of faith in selection.

I can’t be alone on here, I know I’m not  :) let’s say Jennings opens in SL, what does that mean for Sibley and maybe Crawley? Either we pick these guys and let them play or we don’t.

England have said we are building a side to regain the Ashes away...how do we do this if players get shuffled around ?


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« Reply #341 on: December 02, 2019, 07:46:01 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on December 02, 2019, 07:36:25 PM
Yes! Which would please a lot us of....the point is thou much as I want to love England and all we do I’m losing a bit of faith in selection.

I can’t be alone on here, I know I’m not  :) let’s say Jennings opens in SL, what does that mean for Sibley and maybe Crawley? Either we pick these guys and let them play or we don’t.

England have said we are building a side to regain the Ashes away...how do we do this if players get shuffled around ?

I agree with this. I get bringing players who are good in certain conditions back in, but we also need a consistent team... I guess that's the problem right now- selectors don't know what their strongest side is.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #342 on: December 02, 2019, 08:19:19 PM »
Jennings and Malan were only 'horses for courses' by accident. It just so happened that they had ok-ish tours overseas but were rubbish at home. This wasn't something the selectors foresaw.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #343 on: December 02, 2019, 08:23:39 PM »
Was Malan actually that bad? I can't remember.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #344 on: December 02, 2019, 08:44:34 PM »
Quote from: billyb on December 02, 2019, 08:23:39 PM
Was Malan actually that bad? I can't remember.

He was bad enough to get dropped. There was a mini argument on here as to whether he or Vince was the better player.

He'll probably come again, but I doubt as a 'horses for courses' selection.  More likely, simply because he's in form and other batsmen aren't performing.
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