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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2019, 04:20:07 PM »
Archer should be groomed by the senior bowlers and bowling coach. After all he is only playing his 6 or 7th test. I see him as the X factor. If groomed and managed properly will becoming one of the best test bowler in coming days.
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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2019, 04:23:07 PM »
Extremely poor attitude - was laughing away when he hit smith during the ashes, and today he’s bowled two beamers (one over turned) and didn’t bother apologising for either.

Nasty bloke with a poor attitude for the game
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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2019, 05:02:24 PM »
Quote from: csnew on December 27, 2019, 04:23:07 PM
Extremely poor attitude - was laughing away when he hit smith during the ashes, and today he’s bowled two beamers (one over turned) and didn’t bother apologising for either.

Nasty bloke with a poor attitude for the game

What a load of tripe. I don't know jof and haven't met him, and so I can't comment on his personality. Others Id suggest should follow suit. It's professional sport. Rugby players don't apologise when they poleaxe each other...after the game Smith and archer were seen having a beer and laughing etc, but yeah what a (No Swearing Please) bloke he is.

With that said, I do feel he's gone off the boil a bit. I think he is being mismanaged and having root as an inept captain isn't good enough. However, I do also agree that he should perform better than he is regardless of management.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2019, 05:08:37 PM »
Quote from: LEACHY48 on December 27, 2019, 05:02:24 PM
What a load of tripe. I don't know jof and haven't met him, and so I can't comment on his personality. Others Id suggest should follow suit. It's professional sport. Rugby players don't apologise when they poleaxe each other...after the game Smith and archer were seen having a beer and laughing etc, but yeah what a (No Swearing Please) bloke he is.

With that said, I do feel he's gone off the boil a bit. I think he is being mismanaged and having root as an inept captain isn't good enough. However, I do also agree that he should perform better than he is regardless of management.

So you think it’s fine for him to deliver two beamers as it’s professional sport?
Second one looked intentional too - Imagine the outcry if rabada did that to broad and broke his arm or was struck
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2019, 05:28:14 PM »
8 games into his test career, Jimmy Anderson who will go on yo take more Test wickets than any seamer in the history of the game had 26 wickets at almost 35s.  6 games in and Arxhwe as 28 wickets at 25s.  For a guy at the start of the journey at this level, it is pretty impressive in my book.  Perhaps if he argued with a few umpires, abused any batsman who played and missed and lost it if a fielder dropped a catch, it would show some people "how much he cares" but I am sure Steve Kirby would still turn his arm over if that is a measure of a bowler
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2019, 05:33:03 PM »
Quote from: csnew on December 27, 2019, 05:08:37 PM
So you think it’s fine for him to deliver two beamers as it’s professional sport?
Second one looked intentional too - Imagine the outcry if rabada did that to broad and broke his arm or was struck

Looked intentional? I Didn't realise we could read minds. Mistakes happen in 40 degree heat. Especially when you're young and trying to bowl quick.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2019, 05:46:03 PM »
Quote from: csnew on December 27, 2019, 05:08:37 PM
So you think it’s fine for him to deliver two beamers as it’s professional sport?
Second one looked intentional too - Imagine the outcry if rabada did that to broad and broke his arm or was struck

I doubt it was intentional tbf. Plus, it’s nice to see players who aren’t all aggressive and sledgy playing.. it’s a shame more aren’t like it
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2019, 06:31:28 PM »
What does the laws say about bowling two consecutive beamers? I know most on here are English supporters and this are happy with the way it was handled, but Archer did himself no favours by appearing to not apologise. I’m all for playing cricket hard and being tough, but where is the spirit of cricket in the way he acted?
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2019, 07:35:55 PM »
Quote from: sfa82 on December 27, 2019, 06:31:28 PM
What does the laws say about bowling two consecutive beamers? I know most on here are English supporters and this are happy with the way it was handled, but Archer did himself no favours by appearing to not apologise. I’m all for playing cricket hard and being tough, but where is the spirit of cricket in the way he acted?

He should have been called for them and removed from the attack. He should apologise to the batsmen too because they are dangerous and it’s the spirit of cricket to do that.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2019, 07:40:47 PM »
Quote from: sfa82 on December 27, 2019, 06:31:28 PM
What does the laws say about bowling two consecutive beamers? I know most on here are English supporters and this are happy with the way it was handled, but Archer did himself no favours by appearing to not apologise. I’m all for playing cricket hard and being tough, but where is the spirit of cricket in the way he acted?
Consecutive isn't relevant but two above waist height gets you removed from the attack if they're considered 'dangerous'. First one was definitely both, second I'm not sure was either -  much slower and lower. Daft call going for the knuckleball again after how badly the first went though! Assume the standing umpire overruled square leg, was surprised to be honest but it's not an unreasonable call. Umpires will have a significantly better view on whether it's dangerous or not - could clearly have gone either way with this one.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2019, 08:00:55 PM »
Quote from: edge on December 27, 2019, 07:40:47 PM
Consecutive isn't relevant but two above waist height gets you removed from the attack if they're considered 'dangerous'. First one was definitely both, second I'm not sure was either -  much slower and lower. Daft call going for the knuckleball again after how badly the first went though! Assume the standing umpire overruled square leg, was surprised to be honest but it's not an unreasonable call. Umpires will have a significantly better view on whether it's dangerous or not - could clearly have gone either way with this one.

You correct about consecutive being irrelevant and I could have left it at two beamers, but does the laws make reference to ‘dangerous’? This is an honest question as I don’t know how the specific law is written. If it does, then surely a slow off-spinner would never get no-balled for above the waist full-tosses, because they cannot be deemed dangerous.

He tried something different, it went wrong, and I don’t believe he tried to hurt the batsman, but the rules are there for a reason.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2019, 08:04:37 PM »
Can be no-balled for height without being removed from the attack. So your hypothetical offie would still be conceding extras.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2019, 08:38:08 PM »
Quote from: csnew on December 27, 2019, 04:23:07 PM
Extremely poor attitude - was laughing away when he hit smith during the ashes, and today he’s bowled two beamers (one over turned) and didn’t bother apologising for either.

Nasty bloke with a poor attitude for the game

When he is hyped up so much, this is what happens.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2019, 09:18:54 PM »
Next time i have a bad game or cba, (some point in April 2020) i am going to blame my skipper for mismanaging me.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2019, 09:59:30 PM »
Quote from: Tailendfielder on December 27, 2019, 09:18:54 PM
Next time i have a bad game or cba, (some point in April 2020) i am going to blame my skipper for mismanaging me.

You'd hardly be the first 😅
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