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[Buzz]

Fair enough Charlie, you'll claim yours is better. I'll think the Mongoose is. Either way you're up against the most famous, best marketed and soon to be used on the international stage cricket bat for what is currently a relatively small market.

money can't buy you love!! still only soon to be used though - Hayden and Symonds seem to prefer the more orthodox version at the moment...

[Talisman]

From what I can see the blade is longer than a MMi3 but shorter than an Uzi 20/20, however the profile dwarfs both. Now unless these are all going to be all made from very low density willow there must be a trick involved to create such a massive profile, question is what trick?

Splice makes no odd's to me, hiding it is pure gimmick and offers no benefit to the player. The MMi3 has a perfectly normal splicing position and the shoulders are purely removed to a position lower than the base of the splice. The CoR has the splice raised into the handle and the resulting hitting area is so close to the hands that it cannot generate enough bat speed to play shots, glances are possible as with a standard blade which do not change with or without a splice.

A mid way bat may be a better blend of both shapes, if player paid to use and promote the MMi3 refuses to use it then it speaks volumes about the bat, after all they could batter a 100 with just about anything. The CoR is just the same shape as the Uzi 20/20 so is nothing new there, cannot understand why Mongoose would not launch a mid way shape as 2 models only is a very light line up.

I would love to know what the pick up and feel is like from Rich and Pete, this will for me be the main selling point.

How big are the edges on the website bat? 45mm?

[Black Cat Cricket]

The willow is not over dried- normal willow.

The difference between Mongoose and the Joker is, I have had a few pros (some quite well known) wanting to buy blank Jokers for their t20 matches.  On the other hand, even the Mongoose players won't use a Mongoose bat!  (Yes, Tom, I know many players don't use the bat that the stickers would suggest, but when you claim not having a splice in the face makes the world of difference, and your flagship player uses a spliced bat, it undermines your advertising somewhat...)

[Black Cat Cricket]

Talisman, edges on the 2lb 8.5oz bat on the website are just over 45mm at the middle, with a minimum edge size of 2mm.

[Talisman]

2mm, you hide that well!!!!!!

Lets not get too carried away with slating Mongoose, they have spent a lot of time and money getting to where they are today and I like to fight with Tom over the claims and don't like sharing. I think we know that you will prefer this bat and Tom the Mongoose.

Lets stick to talk about the bat before this descends too far into brand loyalties.

[SillyShilly]

Charlie - look forward to using one of these this year, i one of the few have been able to compare this to other 20/20 bats (uzi, mongoose etc) and this really is head and shoulders above any competition at the moment. Top product and am i right in thinking that you have designed this bat to play and feel intuitively, as would make sense, compared to another cricket bat company who have released a 20/20 bat that plays and  feels counter-intuitive?

Tom - Most famous brand? Is this your attempt at humour?

[Tom]

We've also had unsponsored international pros buying bats off us or stealing them. Peter McGlashan is one, Sangakkara another. Hayden uses a Mongoose CoR3, Anderson uses a Mongoose CoR3. Which other player is out flagship? Those 2 are fronting the brand in each country.

If you get some of the worlds best players using the Joker than credit to you, as yet though to me it looks like riding on the T20 Mongoose bandwagon.

And if you do get 45mm edges in every bat I'd be interested to potentially buy one. Even if it's just to steal ideas.

[m4ttc]

Cmon Chas.. Get the pics up

[peplow]

I agree the mmi has had a lot of individual press that no other bat has, maybe the jumbo had a bit? This is before my time but all the old folkes go on about it so much there may have been a bit of a fuss over that bat too?

[Howzat]

Charlie has not mentioned yet the bat has a thinner blade than standard has he?

[peplow]

No he hasn't!

[SillyShilly]

The cricketers who buy the product will define what bat is famous.....for me my money goes to the Joker, as will most others once they get their hands on it!
Like i said in one of my original posts - go out and compare these bats, as a cricketer who has used many bats (yes, including an MMI3) i say there is only one 20/20 bat i would use. Of course, i dont expect anyone to take much notice of my opinion, but untill you see this bat in the flesh then you wont be able to judge it.

[Talisman]

Tom, your boss did not invent the 20/20 bat, by that tone you could argue he has merely jumped on the Newbery bandwagon, he has marketed the brand better than most other brands and it must be in the top 10 well known cricket brands without having sold a fraction of the bats that the others will have sold.

Lets not declare the brand a failure or success quite yet, the season has not started and history will judge what is or what is not success.

SillyShilly, lets wait and see how it plays before taking sides, it's all about the ability to hit the ball further rather than quantity of twitter posts!!

[SillyShilly]

I do like a good twitter

[Master-Basterd]

I currently have a Mongoose MMI on loan here, i would be happy to borrow a joker and do a detailed write up about both and pick the better bat.

My results will not be bias.

Let me know Charlie.